Read the Full Comment Thread From Passionate America’s Outing Post!!!

4 10 2006

Its kinda funny and horribly disgusting at the same time. Unfortunately, the post can’t be erased. Waybackmachine can revive everything.

I can’t make anyone “pay” or “punish” anyone. In fact posting SkerDog’s info was just stooping down to Wild Bill’s level.

I am sick of this whole ordeal. Hopefully, we can just wait for the world to end and then let god sort em out.

Wish I believed in god… :`( America is so fucked.

BTW – This is really really long.
Click the “read more” link blow to read everything.

You and your pedophilia apologist fellow travelers are worse than the Republicans who protected Foley and his reprehensible serial statutory rape episodes. Foley was well known as a pedophile in Florida when he was Jeb’s right hand man in the State Senate but his criminal activity was covered by his fellow Republicans and the radical right wing media right through to his Washington sociopathology. That you attack the victims of this wholly repugnant criminality reveals you and your compadres in the Republican propaganda machine as the amoral, jingoistic demagogues your are.

Fascionnate American indeed.


Gravatar Do you bother to spell check your website? Or check it for grammar or usage? Your writing skills are terrible. Were you a “Child Left Behind”?


Gravatar Any violence or other harassment against this young man, this private citizen, will be answered. Take that any way you like.


Gravatar You may be passionate, but forgot to be compassionate. Isn’t exposing the identity of a victim against the law?


Wow. THIS was your major scoop?

ONE guy he exchanged salacious instant messages with is apparently 21?

Holy cow, with such research skills, it’s only a matter of time until you replace Drudge as the first stop for right wing hate… uh, I mean news.

Again, as many others have said, if there was no fire behind the smoke, why the hell did Foley resign as quick as he did?

And now I’m seeing that at least one of these pages is receiving threats.

That’s a good way to treat those who disagree with you.

Hope you’re proud of yourself.


Gravatar You are a low life scum. How DARE you. If anything happens to this young man, you’ll be to blame.


Gravatar So after an incredibly long, boring, pointless, and remarkably badly written explanation of how you discovered this guy’s identity, you didn’t actually explain why you chose to publicly identify him, did you.

So why the hell did you do it?


Gravatar Remember folks, no matter what Foley may or may not be in his sexual inclinations, he technically is not a pedophile by any stretch of the word. A pedophile is an adult that is sexually attracted to PRE pubescent children that would typically be less than 12 for either gender…His history hasn’t shown any such inclination. Although I do find it both hilarious and cowardly that he now cites booze and sexual abuse by christian clergy while simultaneously denying either as responsible for his ‘gay’ actions.

Realize that when something pleasurable or strongly desired is prohibited, it becomes an obsession. The more prohibited the particular ‘pleasure’ is, the more obsessive it becomes. Hence the reason why overall, Republicans and Christians (essentially one of the same) are nothing more than a Gay Old Party [GOP] of Perverted Pedophiles more depraved than any other group in this most dysfunctional, yet prosperous ‘alleged’ democracy in the world.


Great – now this kid will GET what’s coming to him – now they can hunt him down and make him PAY


Gravatar His myspace page is your proof of his age? Are you kidding me? Are you some kind of idiot?


Gravatar You are not a very nice man, and a complete idiot.

You might want to look over the “love to slip them off you” IM. In that one the young man notes that his birthday is February 23rd – the same as the young man you have publically identified – and that he isn’t 18 yet.

Have you no decency?


Gravatar You know that the FBI is planning to investigate this right?


Gravatar You are an unbelievably stupid little man. And now you’re going to be in a world of trouble. I hope your “scoop” was worth the pending FBI investigation. Better hope that glass house of yours holds up to scrutiny!


excuse me, but where is the “proof” that ABC was lying. From the ABC website http://blogs.abcnews.com/ theblot…sive_the_s.html

“Florida Rep. Mark Foley’s resignation came just hours after ABC News questioned the congressman about a series of sexually explicit instant messages involving congressional pages, high school students who are under 18 years of age.”

First off, the IM in question is undated, so there is no proof that the page was 18 at the time. Secondly, assuming that the page in question was 18, it does not prove that no other inappropriate IMs were written by Foley before the page’s 18th birthday— a birthday that occurred eight months after the page in question left the program.

In other words, you’ve just embarrassed a 21 year old young man for no good reason — you haven’t proven anything.

More to the point, most of us are still waiting for you to back up you statements inplying that the release of the story was some sort of democratic party plot.

What appears to have happened is that Brian Ross — like other reporters — got the “overly friendly” emails. Unlike other reporters, Ross decided to do some more digging, and came up with a lot more than just “overly friendly” emails — Ross had a story that he could report on, but tried to keep it relatively “clean” by focussing on the emails. (My guess is that competitive pressure lead to ABC publishing the far more explicit IMs… )


Gravatar And a callous motherfucker, too. But what should we really expect from a GOP shill like yourself? Give my best to the Missus. Maybe I can keep her company while you’re in prison on obstruction of justice charges


I agree with the commenter above who expresses consternation that you walk us through this laborious explanation of what is quite standard online research for your “scoop,” and then you fail to tell us, as promised, why you’re releasing this young man’s name. Other than to expose him to death threats from your fellow travelers and “the emails were faked” pajama whackos, I’m afraid I don’t understand your point.

Are you claiming that he entrapped Foley by pretending to be a minor? Please do tell.


Gravatar Wow, Wild Bill. What a man! “Outing” a target of Mark Foley’s predation. There’s a special place in hell for you — and i know i am not the only Republican who feels this way.

It doesn’t matter how many times you assert that Mark Foley is a scumbag; you are in his league when it comes to scumbaggery. To you, it’s all about the hard-right retaining power over the Republican Party.

It’s time for a purge — of predators like Foley and their sycophantic revenge-monkeys like you.

And believe me: if this kid gets so much as one harassing e-mail or threatening phone call, you’d best get a lawyer. And not a litigator — I’m talking criminal defense, you idiot.


Hey douchebag, myspace is proof of nothing! My son who is actually 14, is 17-years old according to his myspace band page … and according to that page he’s been 17-years old now, for over a year.

Go back to the lab jerkoff, Columbo you ain’t.


Well, with the screeching of the moonbats, you’ve obviously struck a nerve.



Gravatar Carrion and Wild Bill. Be assured of this. If anything happens to this young man, I will hunt you down and make you pay, severley.


Gravatar The pathetic nature of this post is surpassed only by its creepiness. You’re a sick fuck, not much different from Mark Foley himself.


Gravatar Wow, you’ve got the attention of some bashers, huh? I think the IM’s are dubious…. who saves them and why 3 years?? No date stamp,… so they’re unrealible and easily forged? Indeed the FBI is looking into all of this. It appears this young man was one of the IM’s and the central tennant of the complaint about the explicit IM’s involving underage pages may fall apart as the age of this guy was 18 3 years ago and 21 now. Thats’ all.

When dirty politic games start, they harm inintended people and make a mess for a lot of folks who deserve privacy.

It appears that there was a lot of collusion to OUT Foley and compete for his seat; a two-fer and in the process, some folks probably helped snare Foley. Foley should have resigned. This info should not have been held till now. Regardless of the charge, the politics of it all are truly disgusting.

Hang in there.


Raging wingnut anger at its most vengeful.

Typical GOP tactic, blame the victim. Next you guys will want to know what he was wearing to see if the politician had an excuse to misuse his position of power, and then for his part to lie and cover it up. One more thing the GOP has in common with the Pope.


Gravatar I’m having trouble understanding what you are getting at. Why is it relevant that Jordan is 21 now? And what was it that ABC lied about?

If his 18th birthday was 2-23-2003,and the IM conversation took place on 2-2-03, he would have been 17 at the time.

Technically he was still a minor, and Foley would be liable for Federal prosecution under his own legislation.

Do you mean that at 21 he has moved on in his life, and the experience does not seem to have harmed him much?

Sorry if I am being a bit stupid and have missed the critical point. If so, could you please breifly explain it again in a “For Dummies” version.


Gravatar Well, lets see – first the media publicly crucifies Foley for IM’ing, e-mailing, and meeting/trying to meet a MINOR page. Bill points out that the IM’s, e-mails, and “alleged meeting” were AFTER the page turned 21 (meaning definately after he was 1, therefore it is Bill’s fault. Also, I see quite a few attacks on spelling and grammar, but not many actual attempts at refuting this post.

Last – the FBI can investigate, to my knowlege, Bill has not lied or threatened the life of anyone. Should Jordan contact Bill with a request to remove the post (accopanied by a court order to), I am sure Bill will oblige. Remember, the ENTIRE COUNTRY has free speech, not just liberals.

As for the “Carrion and Wild Bill. Be assured of this. If anything happens to this young man, I will hunt you down and make you pay, severley.” comment from Will, you realize that you have just commited TWO CRIMES yourself, right? If you aren’t, I will elaborate, you have assaulted Bill by threat, and you have put in writing that you will stalk him. Therefore, you can now be charged with a crime. CONGRATULATIONS!

BTW – attacking spelling and grammar is not the way to win a debate, but it is a great way to show how childish you are!


Gravatar Tortoise,

You’re honestly saying that IM’ing a 17 yr old is a crime? Is this about OUTING a Congressman or about child abuse? If it’s about the latter, then it fails. 17 is not a minor. PLUS, how is it possible AT ALL, to authenticate IM’s? Anyone?? Has anyone EVER heard of “printed” IM’s? How can they be authenticated? Just asking….

The legislation mentioned is disingenuous at it’s face as it’s not retroactive! Come on, that’s just too rich.


Gravatar Wow, you’ve got the attention of some bashers, huh? I think the IM’s are dubious…. who saves them and why 3 years??

don’t forget, the page in question is a solid Republican — as our host noted, he’s working on the campaign of REPUBLICAN Ernest Istook.

Saving the IMs makes about as much sense to me as Monica Lewinsky saving her stained blue dress — but save it she did, and there is no reason to question the authenticity of the IMs just because you hope they are some sort of nefarious Democratic Party plot.


Gravatar ok, i guess i am an idiot. i cannot figure out what the implications of the guy being 19 is. does it mean abc is a ‘shill’ for the dems? hmm, after the 9/11 fantasy movie that one’s going to be a hard sell. is it that the kid framed and lied to foley? used to blackmail him? i always suspected republicans (dems too) are kept in the rubberstamp lane by ‘details’ of their personal life. why would foley initiate legsislation about online predators if he was one? doesn’t make sense.

it seems like there are so many variables here i don’t quite understand which one you are insinuating. could you tell us?

what points to a dem plot? i noticed how hookergate was splashed across the front page for peter goss to conveniently step down so the new nsa cia director could replace him. don’t republican drag out the skeletons whenever it suits them?

maybe this was times to caoture attention away from the horrible condi/tenet/rummy/911 news that just broke?

anyway, republicans have been screwing up so badly, who needs one more nail in the coffin? you guys own the voting machines anyway. what is the point of ruining this young mans career? i don’t get your point.


The culmination of this “Hot Scoop” of yours is a list of dates and events.

Where do these come from? There are no dates on the IMs, so how do you know these dates are correct?

C’mon, Bill. You pulled them outta your ass didn’t you?


Gravatar p.lukasiak,

A blue dress stained by the POUS is COMPLETELY different than IM’s from a congressman. Monica intended to have the dress cleaned, no? There really is no connection between the two cases.

Still unanswered, can IM’s be authenticated? Why save them? This smells, you must admit. Foley resigned. His seat is congress is now easily going Democratic, right?

The most selacious accusations are based on IM’s. Isn’t it fair to ask about their validity due to the timing of their release and the time they were held?

I make no assumptions about this young man being a republican, as if that makes any difference. Is it possible that someone else used his ID in the IM’s? If not, why not?

And again, this is a lot of noise about a Congressman who sent emails and supposedley IM’s to former pages. It’s disgusting, but does not rise to the level of judgement error we’ve seen on the Hill in the past with actual sexual contact, etc with pages. (Notice I’m not including interns! I’m not!)


why is it so hard to believe that someone would save IMs from a US CONGRESSMAN trying to have cybersex with him? I can think of very few IM logs that would be more likely to be saved.


why is it so hard to believe that someone would save IMs from a US CONGRESSMAN trying to have cybersex with him? I can think of very few IM logs that would be more likely to be saved.


Gravatar “why is it so hard to believe that someone would save IMs from a US CONGRESSMAN trying to have cybersex…”

Matt,

How do you log or print IM’s? Is this something you can do after the fact or is this something that you have to set your IM program to do in advance?

Again, why hold these for 3 years? Why allow them to be put out?

How can anyone (unbiased) vouch for the “printed” IM to show that they actually happened when is is said they occured; that the principles are who they say they are; and reflect actual original IM’s and not reconstructed or edited IM’s printed out after the fact?

That’s all. This whole IM thing smells like a rat to me…

The best explanation is the OUTING campaign talked about elsewhere on the net via Blade and it appears some took it upon themselves to “help” out the Democratic party in an otherwise unobtainable Florida seat.


Hey Smokey

I was explaining what the outing really meant…

I’m not after the boy, I am a lefty.

Scarcasm is really lost on you americans


Gravatar Annonymously –

I am saying that I didn’t understand what point Bill is trying to make in his post.

You said all of the other things.


Gravatar FOlks every single IM program from Trillian to Yahoo ships with logging turned on BY DEFAULT! It has been this way for years – it’s just that a lot of people don’t realize it. You can go to every single conversation you have had on IM if you know where to look. Furthermore you have to actively disable logging. This was done largely to comply with SEC regs (for money managers who use IM with their customers) and to comply with Sarbane internally. You don’t have to do anything special to log your conversations, in fact you have to disable logging to turn it off (usually found under the privacy settings)


Gravatar Congratulations. Wow, what a responsible journalist you are. You know, what we really needed right now was to identify one of Foley’s victims.

I hope that he sues the hell out of you.


How could he sue? All of this is a matter of public record. Just a little work with a search engine and you could have found his name too.


Gravatar you are disgusting! HOW DARE you out a victim of a predatory crime? as if this young man has not suffered enough embarrassment – now you have to pile on. this young man will now be subject to even more threats. you sick, vile, pathetic excuse of a human being.

what cause does it serve to out this poor young man? on what planet is it acceptable to post a picture of a victim who was underage at the time of the crime? nowhere that i know of.

i know this young man sues the shit out of you, shithead.


Gravatar This is the way these right wing trolls show there patriotism? By excusing the predatory behavior of a Congressman but crucifying the victim? Why do Republicans hate America?


Gravatar good on ya WB. don’t let the mouthbreathers who commented above get to you.

and to Adnihilo, who wrote:

“Republicans and Christians (essentially one of the same) are nothing more than a Gay Old Party [GOP] of Perverted Pedophiles “

Foley is actually a Scientologist.


Gravatar good on ya WB. don’t let the mouthbreathers who commented above get to you.

and to Adnihilo, who wrote:

“Republicans and Christians (essentially one of the same) are nothing more than a Gay Old Party [GOP] of Perverted Pedophiles “

Foley is actually a Scientologist.


Gravatar Foley is not a Scientologist. He’s a Catholic.


Gravatar He just panders to the Scientologists. It’s the money, stupid.


Gravatar so what have we learned…

1) ABC wasn’t lying. our host simply chose to ignore the IM that identified the person conversing with Foley as being underage (not yet 1.

2) despite his fevered rantings, our host hasn’t been able to connect this scandal (and its disclosure) to any Democrats.

3) our host has needlessly and pointlessly embarrassed a 21 year old young man — a young man who on at least one cached website, identifies himself as “straight”. (who knows if he is or not — its entirely possible that he is straight, but was “experimenting” when he was having internet sex with Foley. )

What was the point of this outing again?


Gravatar What the fuck is wrong with you?

I hope you get what’s coming to you for this. Asshole


Gravatar Does anyone know anything about the guys who write for this blog? Maybe we can out them for something as well.


Gravatar yea what indeed is the point of this outing, shithead?

you go through an entire post putting together the peices of how you found out who this kid was… yet you have NO JUSTIFICATION for what you just did. you sick sick fuck.


“I have been contacted by the media and I might be on TV soon.”

Right On!!, Seems you’ll finally get the Fame you want so badly. “Inside Edition” Sweet! I for one can’t wait to see you on the tube, sitting there with that “I can’t believe I finally made it” look on your face and as you bask in your well deserved glory. I can see it now, 3-2-1 your on……….


IE – So tell us, why out the victim in this case?

WB – He’s not a victim, this is a set-up….

Crosstalk

IE – Set-up?

WB – Yea, I mean the democrats are known to use these kind of tactics, they… they’ve done this before, you know with Delay and Ney and Cunningham!

IE – So the democrats are the ones a fault here?

WB – Sure, I mean they hate America, they got this guy to go after Foley, by you know, draw him out, make him do things he would never do.

IE – So Representative Foley, didn’t write the emails and IM’s?

WB – No, uhmmm…Yes, well he did, but he was set-up… see he never would have….

Crosstalk

WB – …..he did, but that’s not the point, the point is he was set-up!

IE – So by you outing this young man, you believe that you will prove that this was a set-up?

WB – Well yea, just look at how all this went down.

IE – Ok, so your saying that the democrats got this young man to “draw out” or draw Representative Foley into this type of behavior and then released the content to the media?

WB – Yea!


IE – To take down Representative Foley?

WB – No, it’s bigger than that, they want to make this an issue against the republican party… they get him to say things he never would have said and then feed it to the liberal media…. All to make…
Crosstalk

IE – Liberal media? You do know that Fox News had this information also, but they sat on it as well.

WB – Well Fox knew this was a set-up and they have people looking into this too. I know…

IE – Are you worried that by outing this young man, you may cause him psychological or even physical damage?

WB – No! He’s not the victim here, he’s just some homo they got to do they’re dirt work, I think they told him that if he helped them do this, they would help him…maybe…. maybe allowing gay marriage or something if they win in November.

IE – What if your wrong?

WB – I’m not wrong, I’m a republican!

IE – Well, there we have it, proof that the democrats and the liberal media have once again used tricks and evil tactics to hurt the party of Moral Family Values and the only ones able to protect America from the Evil Doers, The Republicans!

IE – Thank You Wild Bill, Mr. Bill, WB…

(Laughter)

WB – Thank You!

I Hope They Nail You To The Wall, You ScumBag!!!!!


Mr. Kerr, as a fellow Oklahoman, I’m deeply ashamed to be from the same state as you. And as a fellow conservative, I’m even more ashamed to be from the same half of the political spectrum as you. This is one of the lowest, dirtiest things I’ve ever seen.

Folks like you and your ilk are the primary reason I no longer vote Republican.


you’re right, “Wild Bill,” it’s not the end. The person you out is already getting death threats and the FBI is investigating. I’m curious, have you looked into the three bills that were passed in the last congress about using the internet to harass people?

Your post has been forwarded to the FBI. When I talked to them, they said they’d already been forwarded the post by a number of people and are “looking into it.”

So you’re right, “Wild Bill,” this is hardly the end.

Hope you have a good lawyer out there in Oklahoma.


Gravatar Here’s the significance of the age of the page, for the reading challenged here (most of you moonbats shouting and threatening violence).

IF HE WAS 18, FOLEY DID NOTHING ILLEGAL. 18 IS THE NATIONAL AGE OF CONSENT, THEREFORE, THERE IS NO VALIDITY TO THE CLAIM OF ‘PEDOPHILIA’ OR ‘UNDERAGE’ SHOULD THIS INFORMATION BE ASSIMILATED INTO THE UBERNARRATIVE.

If it is shown that ABC knew this and reported him as “underage,” then the pedo-angle and hence the stick you’re all trying to beat everyone with is gone. All that will have been done is shown that a pervert in Congress engaged in consensual, legal online sex chat with a page. ABC will have reported the story incorrectly and would need to correct the story. So would all of you, and every media outlet running before vetting all of this info.

Very inappropriate behavior? Yes. Not new in Congress, illegal or earth-shattering. Especially not “DESTROY ALL REPUBLILCANS” worthy. Rather Clinton worthy or Studdsworthy, in fact.

Got it?


Gravatar all information posted regarding this kid was available to anyone with access to the internet. if the fbi needs to investigate anyone it is Brian Ross and abc for slipshod editing on their website.

sheeesh.


Gravatar all information posted regarding this kid was available to anyone with access to the internet. if the fbi needs to investigate anyone it is Brian Ross and abc for slipshod editing on their website.

sheeesh.


Gravatar This is the most egregious case of forced disclosure of child abuse I have ever seen. You exposed this kid’s identity just to get hits on a blog – possibly causing unnecessary emotional distress on an innocent victim. The identity of this person has no bearing on the fact that Foley is a perverted criminal who should be punished.

This blog is the lowest of the low.
Absolutely disgusting.


@ Good Lt

This is just about ONE page, what you and others seem to forget is FOLEY resigned! Why, because he knew he was busted chatting with a minor!

Got It!


ABC has let out that they have emails and messages that go back as far as 5 years. It is also plain that more than one intern was involved, and more stories are just now coming out about Foley’s behaviour around them (showing up drunk in the dark of night at the pages’ dorm!).

You might have identified one of the victims, but your identifying him as being over 18 at the time is based on flimsy evidence at best (MySpace can’t be relied on as factual any more than your average blog – much more research should be done) and runs contrary to the message you quote: “im not 18 till feb 23”. You were better off in removing the post, as you did earlier.

In the end, putting up a name and a “pic” don’t serve to further the discourse on the subject of Foley’s misdeeds. Nor does conflating the matter with anything that went on in the past: no matter who did what in the past, it doesn’t excuse or make legal the allegations being made against Foley now, nor does it excuse those who would try and cover for him.

Similarly, saying that it was a set-up or that he was led on by these youngsters is no excuse either: he was their senior, should have been able to excersize better judgement, and failed. Even granting all the fatuous suppositions that it was a Democratic party trick staged to undermine the elections, that these kids weren’t underage, that this behaviour has been going on in both parties, that he was driven to it by drink, etc. leaves one with the fact that Foley fell for it. He failed to be smart enough to avoid the problem: is that the kind of person you want running your country? Further, would you continue to back him and give support also to those who allowed him to continue to hide such a monumental failure in judgement? It’s long past time to hold our representitives to a higher standard.


Good Lt | Homepage | 10.04.06 – 3:32 pm | #

You do realize that a) the IMs ID the kid as being 18 at the time they were sent, b)any relationship between the two started when he was an underage page regardless, c) there are supposedly more pages involved than this one, d)Republican pages were warned of Foley as many as 5 years ago, e) even if the kids current age were somehow relevant, our asshole host could have revealed the age without revealing the kids identity, f) Foley and Kirk Fordham have already resigned over this and Hastert is likely to follow.

Face it, your hero is pissing into the wind with this disgusting act.


Gravatar I think you should have thought clearly what value there was in divulging this person to the public. From what I can see there is none. However, your bad act of exposure is nothing compared to the threats and vile comments you are getting on this post. They are just as vile as everything else about this story. Death threats don’t protect children. The damage is done. ABC News did not protect their sources, obviously. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.


Gravatar Outing a young republican working on a republican election campaign. I’ll bet you’re gonna be a major hero in the rightwing blogosphere.

With all of your upcoming TV appearances, I hope you’ll still have time to blog.


Gravatar You’re also a scumbag for publishing the name of a minor who was the victim of a sex crime.


the FBI doesn’t investigate news ethics, nor did Brian Ross out this boy. What the FBI does do is enforce the law, like S. 1997, passed by the 109th Congress. It’s an update of a 1934 bill about using communications devices to harrass people. It allows a lof of leeway for the prosecutor. And our friend “Wild Bill” is hardly going to be terribly sympathetic to the motives of this post.

Like I said, get yourself a lawyer, “Wild Bill.”


Gravatar Hi guys and girls how is it going in here? If the FBI comes then they come, Ms. Underestimated and I found everything on the internet. I believe ABC NEWS has tried to create confusion about Jordan’s age so they can create a false perception that all the children were minors. I believe Foley is a scumbag. I put this story out so people will research it further and I would like to know who turned the IMs over to ABC NEWS and why ABC NEWS will not publish the date the IMs were made and with whom. If the person is a minor then he should be offered protection, but I thought here in America that you had the right to face your accuser.


but I thought here in America that you had the right to face your accuser.

I didn’t realize that you’re name was Mark Foley…


Gravatar What you did here was immoral, unethical, and despicable–but of course, you defend it by saying Foley has a right to “face his accusers.” I am thoroughly disgusted and appalled at what passes for “Republicanism” in this country anymore. Thanks for helping me cement my decision never to vote for one of them ever again.

The party of criminals and pedophiles. That’s ALL YOU ARE. Repellent.


Gravatar I love the breathless tone of this narrative. Do you even KNOW where the comma key is on your keyboard?

Yes, it’s the blogosphere. Greatest innovation in human communication since Gutenberg printed the Bible.

help…


Gravatar runs contrary to the message you quote: “im not 18 till feb 23”.

a second point here. Foley was well aware of the law prohibiting “internet sex” with those under 18 — having been heavily involved in the passage of that law — yet DESPITE BEING TOLD that the former page was not yet 18, he continued his salacious conversation.

It would appear that Foley was “turned on” by the fact that the former page was “illegal” (forbidden fruit is always the tastiest….). There are more than enough sites where “dirty old men” can have “sex chats” with 18 year olds (but no younger — you can’t get an account at sites like gay.com unless you identify yourself as 18 or older. Some younger men do have accounts, but everyone with any sense knows that if they go into a chat room and say they are under 18, to avoid any kind of suggestive chatting with them.)

Again, I’m still waiting for our host to explain WHY he felt this was necessary. He didn’t prove anything about ABC…quite the contrary, in fact.

One final thought — lets stop talking about what Foley did (as far as we know) as if it was “child abuse”. Realistically, its not… and the idea that this young man was psychologically damaged by these IM’s is kinda ridiculous. That being said, what our host has done by pointlessly outing this young man MAY WELL result in psychological problems….


Gravatar LT claims that the significance of the age of the page is that if he is 18 or over, then Foley did nothing illegal. I’ll leave aside LT’s confused legal argument.(Eighteen is not the “national age of consent” or, at least, not for sexual activities.)

However, the young man identified in the post was 17 at the time that the correspondence began with Foley. If you will bother to look at the “love to slip them off of you” IM, you’ll note that it is the same boy that Foley is talking to (or, at least, a boy with the same birthday), and there is a specific reference to his being under the age of 18.

So ABC was completely correct in reporting this as a IM conversation with an “underage” boy.



I thought here in America that you had the right to face your accuser

Yeah, you have the right to face them in court (where I suspect you’re soon going to be spending quite a bit of time yourself), not on some shitbag’s blog.


What part of “I don’t turn 18 until feb 23” don’t you understand?

What part of Brian Ross’ comments that the IM’s came from the pages don’t you understand?

You are the one ‘creating confusion’.

And before you start quoting the Constitution, you might want to take a Con Law class first.


I thought here in America that you had the right to face your accuser

You will be entitled to this Constitutional protection when the guy you outed testifies agaisnt you in your criminal trial.


Gravatar @p.lukisiak

“Foley was well aware of the law prohibiting “internet sex” with those under 18 — having been heavily involved in the passage of that law”

that law passed in 2005, the IMs are allegedly from 2003, when mr. edmund was 17 years old and no longer a page. 16 is the age of consent in DC, and i’d bet that it is also the age of consent in california where the former page lived at the time of the IMs.

your phony outrage is ridiculous.


Gravatar @p.lukisiak

“Foley was well aware of the law prohibiting “internet sex” with those under 18 — having been heavily involved in the passage of that law”

that law passed in 2005, the IMs are allegedly from 2003, when mr. edmund was 17 years old and no longer a page. 16 is the age of consent in DC, and i’d bet that it is also the age of consent in california where the former page lived at the time of the IMs.

your phony outrage is ridiculous.


Gravatar Well on one hand:

You lefty fools are getting your panties all up in a knot for nothing.

On the other hand, I don’t get the point of posting this guys name – other then showing you can.


Lets be clear. If he was 18, he is not a ‘victim’ any more than Foley is a ‘victim’.

So all of you leaving comments about what a “sick f**k” this web post is, should calm down and put down your main stream media cool aid (along with your left wing cool aid).

Maybe its true. Maybe Foley has done the same thing with those under 18 and is correctly being run over by the press. But, one thing has to be clear. If the IM’s were with an 18 year old that ABC has run with, (which wouldn’t be suprising) then they have a lot to answer for.


Gravatar I still dont get it. Please help me people.

JE’s 18th birthday was 2-23-2003(this was stated on the previous version of Bill’s post, but I can’t see it now.)

The date of the IM on the ABC web site is 2-2-2003 (it’s in the filename of the pdf). So assuming that is correct, he was 17 at the time. He would be 18 three weeks later.

And in the IM itself, he says he won’t be 18 until Feb 23.

Why do so many people here presume he was actually older than that? I just don’t get it.


Here is the Wayback Machine page for http://www.pagealunmi.us, the website that was shut down recently. Now why would the owner shut down the website unless his discussion group contained some interesting anecdotes about a certain Congressman? That’s a good question, so for anyone with time on your hands and curiosity in your heart, check this page, which is the index to 3085 archived pages, apparently from the discussion group. This is what bloggers do best – research and collaboration to come to a conclusion. So let the investigations continue!


You are a sick fuck.


Gravatar that law passed in 2005, the IMs are allegedly from 2003, when mr. edmund was 17 years old and no longer a page.

thank you for the correction.


Gravatar heh… All the screeching and wailing of the left wing MoonBats… Its ok for them to post the name, address, phone number and picture as well as directions to the house of someone THEY dislike on one of their blogs, but God forbid someone who is not a barking moonbat does it to someone else… Seesh don’t they realize that THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE LIKELY TO SEEK RETRIBUTION BECAUSE OF POLITICS???


Gravatar What was the point of this outing again?
p.lukasiak | Homepage | 10.04.06 – 3:16 pm | #

To get Wild Shill Nobody fifteen seconds of fame for his tiny little blog.

I hope it made him happy. Because he may have a lawsuit on his hands. If I were this unfortunate kid’s folks, I’d certainly look into it.

Ah, Wild Shill. The Daily Mail of the Internets.


Lets be clear. If he was 18, he is not a ‘victim’ any more than Foley is a ‘victim’.
Anonymous | 10.04.06 – 4:10 pm | #

Why not be clear about this; this isn’t about a single person. This is about a long history, going back as far as 1995, a history and pattern of abusing authority for personal pleasure, and the ensuing cover-up by people who are supposed to be attending instead to the interests of our country. It is inexcusable, regardless of who is involved, their age, sexual proclivities, or which political party indulges in it. Anyone perceived to be betraying our democratic trust should be vigorously investigated – this is our obligation to ourselves.


Gravatar Gosh.

What a great way to pretend you’re a journalist while actually being an apologist for a pedophile.

And WE’RE the ones lacking morality. Uh, sure, whatever.


Gravatar Nice going, cobag. Party over everything. Get used to people treating you like you have poop in your pants.



heh… All the screeching and wailing of the left wing MoonBats… Its ok for them to post the name, address, phone number and picture as well as directions to the house of someone THEY dislike on one of their blogs,

And when was this, pray tell?


I think it’s been established that this kid was 17 at the time of the IM’s.


Gravatar This post is beyond reprehensible!


Gravatar “but I thought here in America that you had the right to face your accuser.”
Wild Bill | Homepage | 10.04.06 – 3:50 pm | #

Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick, you are a stupid, stupid man. Foley would theoretically have the right to face his accusor, if the page accused him in a criminal case. But that does not give you or anyone the right to divulge the page’s name. My God, you are an idiot.


Gravatar Great work!


And when was this, pray tell?
Krotos Hairetikos | 10.04.06 – 4:30 pm | #

He’s referencing the brouhaha involving Michelle Malkin where she posted contact info for students protestng military recruiters at a CA university reulting in them getting death threats. After being informed of this she reposted said information. Some idiot (and it was primarily the work of one idiot) decided to retaliate by posting her home address and a link to a picture of her house in the comments of every blog (liberal and conservative) posting on the matter. Contrary to the conservative narrative, the information only made it to the front page of a few obscure blogs. Further, the source of the information had posted it in 2004 a full year before the whole thing happened.

At any rate the “internet outing” thing is something that happens with some frequency on both sides of the political spectrum and it’s an ugly occurence whenever it happens.

This, of course, is an entirely different beast.


Gravatar All the comments about the age of consent…yes, states have different ages of consent, 14, 15, 16, whatever.
There is, however, a Federal law, I believe, that makes it a crime to engage in sexual activity ONLINE, by computer, with a person under the age of 18. I read this somewhere, but don’t have the time to look it up, sorry. Maybe someone else here can find it and post it?


Gravatar Bill, the ETHICAL thing to do is to call someone BEFORE you go to print to get their reaction.

If this turns out to be the wrong guy, it’s a more serious mistake than just a simple “oops” will rectify.

Also, I’d like reiterate what I said earlier. So far NOTHING in your post proves this kid was over 18 at the time of the IMs.

Besides, it wouldn’t matter. The law says only that the perpetrator THINKS the person is a minor. Soliciting a 45 year old police officer posing as a 14 year old is ILLEGAL.

So, take your trash and shove it, Asshat!


This blog is titled ‘Passionate America’. It seems that Wild Bill is passionate about attacking a child predator’s victim rather than the child predator.

One sentence is devoted to Mark Foley ( Mark Foley is a scumbag! ), whereas a dozen or more paragraphs of pitiful spelling, typing, and grammar are dedicated to make a conclusion that was never really made… “I will explain to you why I believe it necessary to reveal Jordan Edmund’s identity.”

By the way, I see you gave up on the bit made in your original post that questioned JE’s age at the time of the IMs.


Gravatar Please do post about the blogger complaint arbitration process, if you retain blogging rights after it’s done.
It’s called TOS, look into it.


I also found out who the page was on Friday, just minutes after seeing the story on ABC’s site. I noticed the handle “Lolakana223” in one of the PDFs, went to Google, and searched on: lolakana223 “house page”

The first link (now available only via cache) contained the following post on the House Page Alumni Association message board:

jordanedmund
post Jul 1 2003, 08:33 PM
Post #3
Ultimate Page
Group Icon
Group: CLASS0102
Posts: 269
Joined: —
From: Oklahoma City, OK
Member No.: 3
No it wouldnt Shrineguard. Everyone in the city was encouraged to go back to their homes after the attacks took place. So the Pages went back to their home which is the dorm, we remained there for the rest of the day and then went back to our normal activities the next day. If you would like to know more specific details, feel free to Instant Message me with AOL instant messanger, at Lolakana223, and I’ll answer any question you have.

I then searched on “jordanedmund” and “Jordan Edmund,” easily confirming (via various other websites, including his own MySpace, xuqa, college fraternity sites and links from them) that this person was without doubt the individual who had exchanged the sexually explicit instant messages with Foley.

It took a mere couple of hours to compile a “dossier” (as it were) about him, including: his birth date, birth place, where he’d lived, former and current addresses, email addresses, schools, current job (position, location, cell phone number), interests, photos, many friends’ names and photos (including many other former house pages), his parents’ names, plus their address, phone number, and professions, etc.

All this was simply to satisfy my own curiosity. The information was located by using some basic research skills and Google.

Although the young man certainly could have no expectation of privacy after volunteering so much information about himself, I naturally did not reveal his name since it’s frankly none of my business. However, this website has now done so and the issue is moot.

By the way, I did notify ABCNews.com about the problem with that PDF, and when I checked later, saw they’d replaced it with a corrected version.

A final comment: Please, folks, WAKE UP to how easy it is to find out massive amounts of detail about you online, sometimes from just a tidbit or two of information. No dirty tricks, pretexting, or social engineering is required. Kids especially are being really, really, stupid about what they put on the web. If you’re a parent, find out what your child is revealing online! (Heck, this whole Foley case started because of online communications that were recorded.) THE WEB NEVER SLEEPS!


That you would do this for no other reason than 15 minutes of fame and increased hits to your blog is repugnant. That’s all you’ve done, because you have certainly not added anything of substance to this story. Maybe you’ve forgotten, but in our society, we protect the victims. And when this occured, this young man WAS underaged and thus he WAS a victim.

Enjoy your blog hits, and remember karma is a bitch. I don’t want to hear you bitching and complaining when the same thing happens to you or someone you love.


Gravatar “Ms. Underestimated and I found everything on the internet.” Well, Wild Bill, I can find lots of things on the internet – scatological pictures included – but it doesn’t mean that I have to publish it. Sometimes you have to use some discretion.

“I believe ABC NEWS has tried to create confusion about Jordan’s age so they can create a false perception that all the children were minors.” Since your own post establishes clearly that Jordan was 17 at the time of the first IM, what confusion did ABC try to create? The fact that the boy was 18 at the time of subsequent messages – and is now 21 – doesn’t change this. Kids tend to older over time.

“I believe Foley is a scumbag.” Yes he is. So why are you trying to destroy the life of someone he took advantage of?

“I put this story out so people will research it further and I would like to know who turned the IMs over to ABC NEWS and why ABC NEWS will not publish the date the IMs were made and with whom.” Look, you don’t have to be a genius to know why ABC has restricted this information: they are trying to protect the identity of innocent young men. Unfortunately, they weren’t careful enough. They released too much information and allowed partisan hacks like Wild Bill, without conscience or apparent morals, to humiliate one of Foley’s victims.

“If the person is a minor then he should be offered protection, but I thought here in America that you had the right to face your accuser.” What in God’s name does this mean? Wild Bill is not the accused. Foley will have every opportunity, in the proper forum, to face his accuser.


This country will be so much better without you creepy molester defenders in power.

Jesus, who knew how low the GOP would go? I need a shower just from following the link to this freakfest.

Enjoy outing the sexual abuse victim you scavengers.


A final comment: Please, folks, WAKE UP to how easy it is…

This is true. However, people it’s irresponsible to broadcast this information to millions of people like Wild Bill has done, especially in a delicate situation as this. And to post half-a-dozen photos and other personal information about him in addition to his name? Wild Bill, what were you thinking. You have jeopardized the safety of this person. And for what? What is your reasoning? Please tell us what your reasoning is?

You have failed to do so. The only explanation is that you’re trying to make a name for yourself. I hope no crazy right winger goes after the person you outed, or else you will have blood on your hands.


Gravatar Good work Wild Bill
The GAY MAFIA is running a Coup d’etat on behalf of the Demoncrats.
The hate you see is nothing more than Demoncrats realizing they’ve been busted.

SICUM DAWG!


Gravatar JESUS! LISTEN TO ME PEOPLE!!

THE LAW SAYS THE PERSON MUST THINK THE OTHER PERSON IS UNDER AGE

NOT THAT THE OTHER PERSON *IS* UNDERAGE.

OK?

A pediphile who solicits a 50 year old cop posing as a 15 year old

HAS BROKEN THE LAW!!!!!

Age has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING as far as this law goes.


Gravatar been listening to your show. You still haven’t bothered to explain why you chose to out this guy…

(to some extent, its admirable in the sense that you probably went looking for something that would connect this kid to Democrats, or showed that he was over 18 when Foley was IMing him — and that if you had determined either thing, that you would be be considered a “hero” by the wingnut rights. The fact that you published despite the fact that you know the kid is a GOP partisan, and was under 18 when Foley was IMing him, is almost admirable….)


so you really think that as long as you “got it all on the internet” that it’s not possible to commit a cyber harassment crime? How bad is the education out there in Oklahoma? Are you really that stupid?

Good luck with that “I got it all on the internet” defense.

Let’s hope your lawyer is smarter than you. On the bright side, that’s pretty likely.


Gravatar I Condemn you sir!


Gravatar Uh oh… Drudge just splashed his homepage with a developing link about this issue.

Better strap in Wild Bill, this ride is gonna get bumpy for you.

-Monk


Gravatar How about a google map to William Kerr’s abode? I think his posting of this story just made such information…newsworthy.


Gravatar Drudge has it up on full header mode.


Even if Democrats don’t win another election, ever, I can go to my grave with the peace of knowing that I am nothing like you.

I thank you for being a shining example of what’s wrong with Republicans.


Gravatar have you no shame?

I’m listening to your show, and you are allowing someone that you really don’t know to raise questions about this person’s sexuality. (In case you missed it, he listed himself as “straight” on one of his web-pages).

Is it your intention to damage this young man by not merely disclosing his identity, but subjecting him to public embarrassment by giving air time to people who may (OR MAY NOT) know him but who want to make this guy look bad?

Foley used this guy….and its entirely possible (given his “politics is my passion” statement, and his activism in GOP politics) that this guy was using Foley as well. But its entirely possible that he had legitimate second thoughts about Foley and what he was up to, and thought that by disclosing his IMs he could prevent the exploitation of other pages.

Its beginning to sound like you want minors who are subjected to the sexual advances of Republican politicians to remain silent — that you are out to punish this young man, and send a message to anyone who might consider “doing the right thing”.


Gravatar Awwwww now aint that a shittin’ shame…..Wild Bill has established that the page was 18 and essentially destroyed the Dem meme that Foley was a ‘pedophile’…this just says what we already knew….that the Dems are just too faggoty to tell the truth


What’s the point?


Gravatar Victim? Victim of what exactly? Didn’t this person continue to speak to Foley? I thought the whole point of this exercise by Rogers and AmericaBlog was to out closeted gays..well they did didn’t they?


Gravatar Asshat.


Gravatar You utter and complete assholes.

The one thing these kids were (and now are) afraid of, was this incident making them infamous and unemployable in the political circuit. That’s why they held on to this painful tragedy for so long without so much as a word. They were terrified, and pASSionate America only served to give their fears merit, by pushing to release this one persons information (including where the person works now). If you are so “Passionate” about America, what about someones right to privacy?? If you cared at all about what these children had to endure you would not have posted this information. It is because of people like you that many many molestation victims NEVER come forward. You should rot in your own filth while bathing in shame.


Gravatar How dare you out me!!!


Wednesday, October 04, 2006

Moore, Oklahoma, blogger William Kerr outs cybersex victim
MLM Liberal files formal complaint with Blogger

The complaint sent to Google:

William Kerr, the author of the blog Passionate America, posted the identity of one of the victims of sexually explicit IMs from former Congressman Mark Foley. Kerr claims the victim is of legal age. Here are excerpts from the blog:

(Victim name removed) is 21 years old

Now that that is out of the way I will reveal how I (and a few others) discovered (victim name removed) was one of the former house pages that participated in sexually explicit instant messages with Rep. Mark Foley…

At 9pm Tuesday night Ms. Underestimated made the find that shocked me and her. (Victim name removed) is currently working as (information removed by MLM Liberal) here in Oklahoma City. Here is his mysapce page that has everything and proves that (victim name removed) is also the other person in these instant messages with Mark Foley the perv.

I work for the Ohio Department of Public Safety, which includes the Ohio State Highway Patrol. While I am not abreast on Ohio law in this matter, the fact that the individual, regardless of age, was one of victims in this case makes me believe William Kerr and Ms. Underestimated may have committed a crime in Oklahoma.

I have already flagged this blog for Mr. Kerr’s posting. And as one who works with law enforcement officers on a daily basis, I believe it is in your best interest legally to remove Mr. Kerr’s blog.

On my end, I will be contacting one of my co-workers in Ohio Homeland Security to seek input as to whether anything illegal has actually taken place.


Gravatar I like boys.


Gravatar therealdonquixote- nice job of pulling that out of your ass. Where is it that you got the information that they were afraid of him and held on to it? Just where the hell do you think the im’s and e-mails came from? These people were not molested. No one has come forward with molestation accusations. None of the “victims” have come forward. It is the left wing that pushed it out there. Take a look in the mirror!


Gravatar MLM Liberal – Nice try, but the major problem with your pathetic little scare tactic is that This info is out there in the blogosphere for anyone to look at, the “victim” released the im’s and e-mails, and the main reason that Wild Bill didn’t identify a victim is that no molestation charges have been brought against Foley!


Gravatar Wow…well, here’s your internet sleuth medal.

Strangely, I did not see the reasoning for WHY the kid’s identity needs to be revealed.

So…why is it a big deal who the kids is? I mean, other than some digusting act of “outing” him because you assume he’s naturally an enemy of the GOP and deserving of whatever treatment you give him…what’s the reason?

By the way Pam, the fact that this info is in the public eye (if you count being public as having to conduct torturous research to find it) does not mean that it should be advertised on some blog. You do not always do something merely because you can, unless of course the true motivation is not to reveal, but to punish. And I’m not sure how punishing the kid who made the mistake of being attractive to Mr. Foley squares with conservative morality. Perhaps you can explain it to me; feel free to email me or visit my blog to do so.


I hope you have good legal counsel William, you are going to need it.

You almost make me ashamed to call myself a Republican, the damage you are going to do to our cause is inestimable when this gets out.

You have lowered yourself to the level of the donks, disgusting.


Gravatar MLM Liberal. Good luck with getting this blog removed. Here’s what Blogger.com said about removing a pedophile’s blog some time ago:

Blogger Support to me
5:19 pm
Hello,

Thank you for your note. Blogger is a provider of content creation tools, not a mediator of that content. We allow our users to create blogs, but we don’t make any claims about the content of these pages. In cases where contact information for the author is listed on the page, we recommend working directly with this person to have this information removed or changed.

Sincerely,
Blogger Support

Reference

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I wonder what your wife thinks of this, given that you have two kids?


Gravatar http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200…andal_1004.html

I’m a fan of the Internet sleuthing, not of the outing. And not of trying to make this seem like a vast, left-wing conspiracy. Foley didn’t resign for IMing an 18-year-old, that much common sense will tell you.


Gravatar I have forwarded this blog entry to the FBI, the House Ethics Committee, and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

The authorities might want to have a little “chat” with you.


This is all my fault.


…and the winner of the Paul Deignan Award for Internet Idiocy, 2006, goes to… WILD BILL!

*crowd cheers wildly*

I know the competition was tough, what with Jeff “Paste Eater” Goldstein and Patterico, but you came through just in time.

Congratulations.


Gravatar It’s rather sickening that a guy with a blog called “Boy Culture” wants to pretend to be angry over this. I can see from your blog that what angers you the most was that Foley was a “Closeted” gay.


I think it’s hysterical to hear from the throngs of the moonbattery about how they’re going to report you. Report you for what? Using the Internet? You’d think you tried to steal national security documents by stuffing them in your pants – oops, wait, that actually isn’t so bad.

Folks, the bottom line is this: you cannot have any reasonable expectation of privacy on the Internet! If you post about yourself, expect that it will be seen by literally everyone. To post about yourself publicly and then complain when everyone sees what you’ve posted is sheer stupidity.

And let’s lay off the victim talk, should we? 17-18 year olds voluntarily engaging in cybersex are not victims, sorry. Is Foley a pervert? Almost certainly, but he’s already out of the House. Other Congressional Perverts stuck around much longer! Short of a criminal infraction, he will remain unproscuted.

But who sat on these IMs for years? Why did Jordan ever save them and obviously PASS THEM ON to ANYBODY but law enforcement? This should have NEVER been sat on the way it was. This guy should have been out of Congress years ago, by all accounts.


Gravatar If this kid gets harmed in anyway by some neocon brownshirt this blog needs to be held responsible.

You’re splitting hairs to come to the defense of a pedo. Good God.


Gravatar Wild Bill, you are my hero!


Now why would the owner shut down the website unless his discussion group contained some interesting anecdotes about a certain Congressman?

Running high-traffic websites costs money. The guy running was running a little site for an obscure topic, and now it’s getting hammered by people trying to research house pages. He may have just decided he didn’t want to pay for all that traffic. Or maybe he’s hosting it on server that can’t handle higher traffic. Or he may have just decided he didn’t want to make it easier for people to contact and bother former pages.

Seriously, “cover up” is the least likely of all possible reasons for that website being down.


Gravatar I agree with CNN Gay men should not serve in ant public office!


Gravatar Wow, can you answer one question for me Wild Bill?? Does stupid hurt? If it does you have my deepest sympathy because you must have to endure pain at a level I can not even imagine.


“i’m not 18 till feb 23”

So this was going on before he turned 18…


Gravatar CNN using the word “repugnant” I agree!Why do we tolerate such?


Wow Wild Bill, the news might contact you? Probably so they can use your carelessness and lack of ethics as an example to paint all bloggers as irresponsible. Nice work, go after the victim to further yourself. And you no doubt will walk directly into the trap they set for you.


“ok, i guess i am an idiot. i cannot figure out what the implications of the guy being 19 is.”

The behavior is still creepy, pervy, and the guy needs to be outta there yesterday, but puts kibosh on these these claims of ‘victim’ and ‘pedophilia’ and all that heated rhetoric implying he needed jail time.

Seriously, lets get real. Foley, like Democrat Gerry Studds, was cruising for pages and ex-pages. Unlike Studds he never consummated the relationship (or so he claimed).

Studds served for years after his homosexual affairs with pages were exposed, but Studds was a Democrat.

I find it also a bit creepy, sad, and unfortunate that this young man is now exposed. It’s pretty clear that he did not reveal this – it IS clear that somehow Democrat-related groups got this info some time ago and dropped at this time, timed to win the election.

“does it mean abc is a ‘shill’ for the dems?”

Uh, ABC is a major league shill for the dems but you dont need this scandal to figure that out.
The economy is booming, oil is dropping, etc.


Gravatar Obermann just asked Scarborough a question: “How many other Gay Republicans are in congress? “ Good Question, are they all pedophiles? I never realized how much democrats hate pedophiles. //scarcasm.


Well, you wanted to make the big time, hot shot.

And you did.

They’re talking about you over at Daily Kos (http://www.dailykos.com)

Check your inbox!

lol


Gravatar I see all the KosKreeps made a swarm into the comment section here. Eat shit punks, your little black bag operation is going to fall apart.


Gravatar Wild Bill,

You’re a MORON!! By checking other blogs you should have been able to connect the dots if you had half a brain the size of a peach pit. Jordan Edmund did not release his IM’s you mental midget….John Aravosis’ buddy and former Mark Foley chief of staff, Kirk Fordham did!!

From AmericaBlog, John Aravosis web site:

Do a google on me if you want to see what I’ve done to make a difference. as for Foley, this isn’t gossip because the man is gay, his chief of staff confirmed it to me and all of my friends repeatedly over the past several years, starting when Foley was running for election the first time. The man is a sell-out, is helping a president who is trying to make me (and him) a second-class citizen, and that’s just screwed up. He deserves to be publicly excoriated.
John Aravosis | Homepage | 07.01.04 – 6:13 pm | #.

Now this same schmuck Fordham is saying now that he told numerous people in the House leadership that he told them long ago about Foley’s proclivities. This guy, along with the keepers of the Gay Outing list are systematically carrying out a vendetta on gays that don’t tow the Democratic line.

With that said, you have outed a completely innocent young republican who wanted to make politics and public service his career. You’re a complete dipshit and ignoramous. Congrats for fingering the innocent by not connecting the dots. Putz!!


Gravatar shit punks?

Is that a Keebler product?

Moore, OK. Mighty small town, there. Amazing who one might bump into when shopping for groceries at the Crest across from the high school or stopping in for a burger at the McDs at 12th and I-35.

Mighty small town.


Gravatar Hey I know.. maybe if congressmen could marry they wouldn’t molest children.

/big.fat.sarc.


Gravatar From Drudge:

“A posting on ABCNEWS.COM of an unredacted instant message sessions between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page has exposed the identity of the now 21 year-old accuser.

The website PASSIONATE AMERICA detailed the startling exposure late Wednesday.

ABCNEWS said in a statement: “We go to great lengths to prevent the names of alleged sex crime victims from being revealed. On Friday there was a very brief technical glitch on our site which was overridden immediately. It is possible that during that very brief interval a screen name could have been captured. Reviews of the site since then show no unredacted screen names.”

SEX CHAT WAS WITH 18 YEAR OLD

On Tuesday ABC news released a high-impact instant message exchange between Foley and, as ABC explained, a young man “under the age of 18.”

ABC headlined the story: “New Foley Instant Messages; Had Internet Sex While Awaiting House Vote”

But upon reviewing the records, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, the young man was in fact over the age of 18 at the time of the exchange.

A network source explains exchanges with the young man and disgraced former Congressman Foley took place before and after the 18th birthday. “

Uh oh. the secret’s out.

The wheels start coming off here.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashmfa.htm


Gravatar How was your Merry Fitzmas Goat Boy? This has all the elements another Jason Leopold fraud. You losers are pathetic.


It isn’t legal advice WB is going to need, it’s personal protection.


wow, personal threats, how amusing.

the ironing is delicious…


Anyone who wants to blame Wild Bill for this will have to hold ABC News responsible, since THEY let the name go.

And no one better lay a hand on Wild Bill.


Gravatar BTW – It is now my mission in life to out you guys.

CLICKY CLICKY

So far I have got TOM EUGENE METZGER’S (aka SkerDog) phone number. Confirmed by prank call. I have not posted it yet…

You’re next Wild Bill.

TTFN


Gravatar OK I’m going on down to the Kinko’s in Abilene TX now I reckon their fax machine is about to start running in overdrive any time now. ABC will probably “find” some documents typed in 1974 or 2004 or whatever.


Gravatar And what was the point of all this? So you printed the name of a kid and have now publicly humiliated him. And that means what??? Foley needs to be defended in some way? You even the score? What is your problem besides being a HORRIBLE writer. So now you can get YOUR 15 minutes of fame..”I might be on TV!!!”. Pathetic.


I can easily say all you pedophile defending right wing hypocrit extremists all have a nice warm spot in hell waiting for you…


Gravatar Great work Wild Bill. Foley deserved to go but once again a Dhimmocrat dirty trick has been exposed, just like the Bush DUI story in 2000, the missing explosives story in 2004 and Dan Rather/Mary Mapes faux memo scandal.

The Dhimms knew what was going on with Foley, more than Hastert, and now they are about to be caught in their own trap. Poetic justice.


Gravatar @ Vipercat
Who are you talking to? The pASSionate Amerca Assholes or…what?


You republican idiots can talk all you want but you have yet to prove anything of a “conspiracy”. If anything all you did was add more evidence by your shameful criminal actions… I swear most of you sick bastards are all the same… All talk, no proof, lies, and dirty tactics… See you in hell republies…


And yes I am talking to they Foley lovers and pASSionate America assholes and all the republies like them…


Gravatar Don’t worry Vipercat. These guys are going to lose everything…soon.

Just check THIS

I’m on the case like flies on shithead republicans.


Gravatar I think many of the commenters here thought they were commenting at the Daily Kos..whenever the venom from the left starts spewing you know you hit a nerve.

The left wingers should be welcoming congressman foley into the tent with open legs seeing he meets 2 of their top qualifications: Homosexual and sexual predator. If he used a cigar maybe he can be elected president to under the DNC Umbrella.

Unlike that famous sexual predator president on the left, Foley only thought about these encounters, Slick followed through with them.


Gravatar Defending: Defending? I beg your pardon! I have been reading this post since 1650, Nobody is defending the creep that engaged in “repugnant” behavior. What this story is about is another instance of the major media being “duped” by another fraudulent story. The very ones who so vehemently oppose the foreign surveillance program have eagerly exposed the “private” conversation of “consenting” adults. Well more the better! Let all “private” repugnant conversation see the light of day! If the truth hurts, then perhaps the activity should cease.


Gravatar Wild Bill, do you have a girlefriend?

what R U wearing?


Gravatar this must be the lowest of the low in the bloggesphere. pretexting a victim’s private information by drudging through PRIVATE AND PERSONAL online information makes this site beneath contempt. I hope the bloggeshere returns the favor and splays open the ugly underbelly of your pathetic life.


HA HA HA!

OCTOBER SURPRISE DOWN IN FLAMES

SUCK IT, DEMS!


Gravatar Carion – to quote your reply to me…..
Hey Smokey

I was explaining what the outing really meant…

I’m not after the boy, I am a lefty.

Scarcasm is really lost on you americans
………………..
I was actually replying to the person who threatened Bill, simply noting that they had comitted a crime by threatening him.


Gravatar hey look, it’s elian gonzalez!


It is so sad that you would do this to a young person and then feel so proud about posting this personal info.

Foley, it would seem, is a sick and manipulitive man.

But what you have posted today is pure evil.


Gravatar Great job!!! As can be seen by all the whining libs spewing their contempt for you. Congradulation on a good scoop….LOL@dems


Gravatar Maf54 (7:59:48 PM): is your little guy limp…or growing

Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:54 PM): eh growing

Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm

Maf54 (8:00:12 PM): so you got a stiff one now

Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:19 PM): not that fast

Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:20 PM): hey

Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:32 PM): so you have a fetich

Maf54 (8:00:32 PM): hey what

Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:40 PM): fetish**

Maf54 (8:00:43 PM): like

Maf54 (8:00:53 PM): i like steamroom


Gravatar This is just staggeringly stupid. You have (probably but not definitely) identified a teenage Republican with whom a middle-aged Congressman had IM sex during a session of Congress. The evidence suggests he was under 18 at the time. You appear to have done so for no legitimate reason, other than shooting the messenger. You are a cowardly political shill with more bile than brains.


Gravatar Uh, ABC is a major league shill for the dems but you don’t need this scandal to figure that out.
That’s true! How else can you explain how they neglected to mention TERRY NICHOLS in Manila in their Path to 9-11?


nyoro~n


Gravatar Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing

Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes

Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts

Maf54 (8:04:17 PM): um so a big buldge

Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:35 PM): ya

Maf54 (8:04:45 PM): um

Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you

Xxxxxxxxx (8:05:08 PM): haha

Maf54 (8:05:53 PM): and gram the one eyed snake

Maf54 (8:06:13 PM): grab

Xxxxxxxxx (8:06:53 PM): not tonight…dont get to excited

Maf54 (8:07:12 PM): well your hard

Xxxxxxxxx (8:07:45 PM): that is true

Maf54 (8:08:03 PM): and a little horny


Gravatar “This country will be so much better without you creepy molester defenders in power.”

ROTFL!

Like Gerry Studds(D)who actually buggered a page and got three standing ovations from fellow dems?

You people make me sick.


Gravatar Great job, Bill. Now see if you can find out what those Amish girls “really” did to their murderer.


Gravatar Typical lefty keyboard toughguys issuing veiled threats from anonymity while another of their keystone cops capers goes awry.

By Friday, this thing is going to be Rathergate II. Thank you netroots morons! We Pubbies appreciate the win in November. We might even pickup some seat in each Congressional chamber. Boffo bitches!


Gravatar Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me

Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that

Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again

Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2

Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful

Xxxxxxxxx (8:09:38 PM): lol

Maf54 (8:09:44 PM): thats a great size

Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:00 PM): thank you

Maf54 (8:10:22 PM): still stiff

Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:28 PM): ya

Maf54 (8:10:40 PM): take it out

Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:54 PM): brb…my mom is yelling

Maf54 (8:11:06 PM): ok

Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:02 PM): back

Maf54 (8:14:37 PM): cool hope se didnt see any thing


Gravatar That’s an impressive bit of stalking there. You’re definately House Page Board material.

So what are we supposed to do with this info? Are you asking us to hunt this guy down and kill him?


Gravatar Outing this young man is the stupidest thing I have seen a blogger do in a long time.

1. No parent in the U.S. is going to give a rats ass about the difference between being 17 years and x months old, and being 18 years and 2 months old which appears to be the young man’s age when this particular i.m. conversation occurred. If Foley waited until a page or former page was 18 until hitting on them directly, it only shows that his actions were unethical and immoral instead of being unethical, immoral and criminal. The clear facts are that Foley “groomed” underage pages when they were in Washington with future sexual relationships in mind. Any other members of congress who knew what Foley was up to, even if they believed he would wait until the pages were 18 before attempting to bed them should still be kicked out of government with no further ado.

2. Now that the young man has been outed, there is no reason why he shouldn’t get in front of a microphone and tell the world EVERYTHING he knows about the matter.
Whatever he says WILL NOT BE GOOD for the Republican Party.


I’m laughing myself silly reading all of the hate messages the Dems are filling this site with.

I love how you “progressives” talk about “reasonable debate” when all you do is cuss out those you disagree with. The screaming venom displayed in your comments only goes to prove that a direct hit was struck here.

The “progressive” moto: When you have nothing to back up your lunicy with, use explatives!


YEAAAAHHHH!

Congratulations Wild Bill on defending Foley!

Does he know he no longer preyed on children? That he held up a house vote to masturbate with an eighteen year old?

No more alcohol treatment center for our beloved Foley! Come back and finish the Florida race our friend!

GOP loves pedophiles!


Gravatar The “progressive” moto: When you have nothing to back up your lunicy with, use explatives!

I had my lunicy backed up once. It kept bulding up pressure until it finally blew up. Had to move my bunker after that. Itstunk to high heaven.


Gravatar Exposing a crime victim is a crminal offense.

I would suggest you hire a lawyer, Einstein.


Gravatar “Now that the young man has been outed, there is no reason why he shouldn’t get in front of a microphone and tell the world EVERYTHING he knows about the matter.”

Perhaps this young man could explain who had these IM logs for the last 3 years hmm?

If this is such a crime who not prosecute 2-3 years ago?


Gravatar One of pASSionate America’s writers wants his info taken down.

Here’s Tom Metzger’s (aka SkerDog) email to me:

It has come to my attention that you’ve posted my personal info on your blog, implicitly blaming me for the “outing” of one of the pages involved in the Foley scandal. While I *do* post on Passionate America, I can assure you that I was not involved in this story. Wild Bill runs the blog and this was (is) his story solely. I know that my personal info is “out there” for anyone who wants to do what you did, but you’re blaming the wrong person here and I would really appreciate it if you would consider removing my info from your blog posts. If I were involved in the story in any way, I’d say you were perfectly entitled to do what you did….but I wasn’t, and I’m asking you to consider what you’re doing to an innocent bystander, his wife and family.

http://themostboringbloginthewor…by-republicans/
http://themostboringbloginthewor…oley-molestees/

Well Tom, what can I say. I am considering your request. However, I highly reccomend that you remove your name/handle from this blag immediately.

I’m trying to do what’s right here…

I need time to mull it over.

William Kerr (aka Wild Bill) your on notice.


Gravatar “That he held up a house vote to masturbate with an eighteen year old?”

Well we had a POTUS call a missile strike to distract from a stained dress..


Xxxxxxxxxx (8:33:29 PM): ya slow things down a little im still young…like under 18 dont want to do anything illegal…im not 18 till feb 23
Maf54 (8:33:43 PM): i know..
Maf54 (8:33:50 PM): nothing will happen
Maf54 (8:34:04 PM): just dreaming


Gravatar I’m thinking that Speaker Hastert should run for president. He’s demonstrated the kind of presidential competence we’ve come to expect over the last 6 years.


Gravatar Gee, I sure don’t understand the mouth frothing, bile spitting lefties on this little thread. They should be thrilled that Representative Foley could legally marry this young 18 year old man in Massachussetts. You guys work so hard for that? Why are you such homophobes KosKooks?


The penis measuring IMs occurred while this guy was 17.

The cybersex during the vote in Congress occurred after he had turned 18.

Plus, the two other pages that have come out on the issue said they were both 17 when they started getting sex IMs from Foley. One former page said that he hadn’t even spoken to Foley prior to receiving the IMs.

I can’t believe Hastert let this go on for so long.


Gravatar TERRY NICHOLS – I thought he was one of yours?


Gravatar “I can’t believe Hastert let this go on for so long.”

He stated that the party *was not aware* of the IM’s.

He also stated that the FBI looked into it (the e-mails) months ago and investigated and concluded there was nothing to investigate.


Hmmm.

Drudge mentions ‘Passionate America’ but doesn’t provide a link, OR repeat the victim’s name. A little ass covering (I kid the Drudge).

Wonder what kind of trouble Wild Bill is in.

DEVELOPING…


Well, since the age of consent (a Democrat idea, by the way) in Washington DC is 16 years old I don’t see any ‘federal’ crime here.

However, it is obvious that dozens of other rules and regulations were broken by Foley. Not to mention that what he did was just plain discusting.

Quiting the House is not an admission of guilt in a criminal sense. All it says is that, obviously, Foley knows that he commited career suicide through his actions.

The purpose of this blog was just to check on ABC to see if they were telling the WHOLE TRUTH about this ‘kid’ who Foley did this with.

If this was reversed politically and FOX News broke the story about a Democrat, you know the moonbats would be demanding FOX News prove their case.

I just want to see if Foley gets an Oprah interview!


Gravatar I agree. It’s important to prove the case. Foley immediate resignation wasn’t enough.

I’m also very interested in your teenage children. Could you send me their pictures?


“If this was reversed politically and FOX News broke the story about a Democrat, you know the moonbats would be demanding FOX News prove their case.”

It wouldn’t be reversed cause Fox (and others) sat on this story for a year and didn’t bother to report it. Must be because it was a repuke.


Gravatar “The penis measuring IMs occurred while this guy was 17.

The cybersex during the vote in Congress occurred after he had turned 18.

Plus, the two other pages that have come out on the issue said they were both 17 when they started getting sex IMs from Foley. One former page said that he hadn’t even spoken to Foley prior to receiving the IMs.

I can’t believe Hastert let this go on for so long.”

Really? Do you have any non-Brian Ross links to that? That weren’t exposed as fraudulent by an ABC glitch?

This is an ANOTHER pre-election elaborate fraud. You people REALLY suck.

Merry Fitzmas a-hole!


Gravatar NO Terry Nichols belongs to the Al-Qaida affiliate Abu Sayyaf. Thanks to the same kind of fake “News” and smoke screen like this “Gay” outing the Major Media feeds on, real threats like AL-Quaida bombing the Murrow Federal Building, are ignored in favor of trash like this.


Gravatar Maf54: You in your boxers, too?
Teen: Nope, just got home. I had a college interview that went late.
Maf54: Well, strip down and get relaxed.
Maf54: What ya wearing?
Teen: tshirt and shorts
Maf54: Love to slip them off of you.
Maf54: Do I make you a little horny?
Teen: A little.
Maf54: Cool.


Gravatar Walt,

Seems that the KosKids and DUmmies can’t stand to see any publicly available FACTS coming to light that cause them more cognative dissonance. I love it when lefties explode.

Wild Bill, keep up the good work.


Gravatar Do my Libby filings make your horny?


Gravatar Yuji, you are sick. You don’t understand that outing a young man who was possibly the victim of a sex crime is wrong? What happened to that great “moral compass” that “conservatives” are supposed to have? Maybe you, Rush, and Drudge can get together for a round of “let’s blame the victim.”
But wait, hasn’t Faux told you that Foley is D-Fl (snark)? See, it’s safe to bash him after all!


Gravatar this is what the Bush-Cheney ruling junta has brought us to. They’ve encouraged every bigot and hate-filled sociopath like yourself to crawl out from under their rocks.

Their base gets the message they’ve sent: the ends justify the means.

The crowd that piously advocates traditional values can turn on a dime and stand up for a pedophile if he’s a Republican and there’s an election at stake.

The crowd that endlessly denounces those hate-filled unhinged leftists, simultaneously calls for the assassination of judges they don’t like and reporters they don’t like (and their children).

The crowd that for years mewled incessantly about a ‘strict interpretation’ of the Constitution, has no problem with granting Bush the power to ignore any law he wants, throw people in prison indefinitely without charges or being able to see the evidence against them, and torture them.

The crowd that never tires of painting Democrats as the party of family-destroying homosexuals and criminal coddlers, attacks the victims of a gay pedophile when the gay pedophile in question is one of their own.

The so-called ‘pro-life’ crowd shows callous indifference to the carnage in Iraq, an illegal, unnecessary war cynically peddled with a pack of outrageous lies.

This crowd champions a woman such as Ann Coulter, who regularly slanders the survivors of 9/11 victims simply because they want the truth about why their loved ones had to die.

People like you are poison, and the GOP encouraged people like you to crawl out from their rocks and poison our country and our politics.

I almost want to believe in Hell so I could watch you roast there.


Gravatar What “therealdonquixote” is doing here and on his blog is coming close to extortion.

Really “don”. You don’t think YOUR identity can be ascertained?

Honestly, what’s your agenda here?


Gravatar The kid was a minor when the IM convos took place. This scoop ain’t going nowhere (except on that closet case’s gossip website, which shall remain nameless).


What a terrible invasion of privacy, for the worst of reasons.

Sick.


Gravatar Bill:

Terrific post. I hope it smokes some Hastert bashing conservative bloggers out to face facts.

http://www.laughtergenealogy.com…g/archives/ 2034
“Cringing In The Corner Is Unbecoming”


Gravatar >> “Really? Do you have any non-Brian Ross links to that? That weren’t exposed as fraudulent by an ABC glitch?”

The ABC glitch exposed the page’s name, not an instance of fraud.

Wild Bill apparently didn’t realize that there were many different IM sessions involved. Clearly the session where both parties discussed Feb 23 as being in the future took place before Feb 23.

The session that took place while Foley was on the voting floor was in the summer, after Feb 23.

So far, the only response to this sequence of events is “do you have personal evidence of that”. Get real, of course we don’t. Neither do you have evidence to the contrary.


Gravatar Well…well…well. Sounds to me like some liberals are a bit upset now. I would be too, if I was a lib and were faced with the realization that liberals themselves are no longer on a witch hunt for a pedophile who contacted an under-age minor like they thought…

…but rather are on a witch-hunt for a garden-variety gay man who had contact with another gay MAN. A class of persons that liberals proclaim to fiercly protect.

Don’t you libs get tired of having the football pulled out from under you each time you go to kick it?


Have you no decency, sir?


Regardless of the age of the “child” in question, Foley is a disgrace to the House, his constituents, Florida and the nation. There are questions (a lot of questions) that remain to be answered.

From what I can see, “Wild Bill” took it on his own to do some background research. So what? It’s the Internet right? It’s open to research and speculation. It is done on the left as well as the right. What I DO have a problem with are the threats of violence posted in this talkback section.

For those wishing violence or even threatening violence remember – terroristic threat are taken seriously and your postings can be traced. Don’t be so stupid.

Congratulations on lowering the public debate even lower. I didn’t think it was possible.


Gravatar Aw…poor widdle democraps have been skunked again. You guys remind me of Wile E. Coyote always scheming to get the road runner. Always blowing it and landing flat on your faces in a pile of sh*t. You are incapable of covering your tracks and you have been repeatedly caught lying. When are you going to give up?


Gravatar I dunno if i am on board with posting the kid’s name. I’m thinking not, since this will be something that will follow him everywhere and forever. Thumbs down for that.

Foley is a scum. His behavior is inexcusible. Resignation is definitely warranted (unlike Dem perverts who go on to run for re-election with back from Jesse Jackson, serve time in prison for fraud and lying to investigators – see a theme here? And then they get pardoned by a Dem POTUS). If ANY House leaders or staff knew of this inappropriate behavior and did not take it to proper authorities, they too should resign and face whatever consequences are befitting. If Dems knew of it and sat on it for political gain, they should face a court of law.

Now, just to review: a pedophile is one that has sex or attempts to or desires to have sex with a child. A child is generally defined as being PRE-adolescent. A 17 or 18 year old does not meet that definition. Those who are snarling “pedophile” at Foley through the foam at their mouths just look silly.

Whether 17 or 18, the age of consent in CA and DC is 16. No crime was committed. The internet cyber-sex bill did not come until later. No crime was committed. Got that?

So, unless and until evidence appears that shows Foley was sexually interacting with pre-adolescent children, had physical sexual contact with anyone under 16 or other illegal sexual behavior, stop with the shrieks of pedophilia.

Put all this into perspective: the so-called “victim” was a willing participant who was within days of his 18th birthday. (He didn’t know what he was doing on Feb 2 but somehow gained vast wisdom in just three weeks? Please!) There was no harm done to the page, no physical contact, no coercion … it almost seems as if he was treating the whole thing as a joke.

If you or your child were the victim of actual molestation, how would it make you feel to put Foley’s actions on a par with that?

I hope this whole shameful episode in the annals of US politics goes away very soon. Both sides of the aisle need to STFU and let the FBI and House do their investigations.


The poster who quoted the age of consent as 16 in DC overlooks the fact that sexual harassment, no matter what your age, is illegal:

According to guidelines issued by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, sexual harassment may be described as unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, or other physical and expressive behavior of a sexual nature when submission to such conduct is made either explicitly or implicitly a term or condition of an individual’s employment or education; submission to or rejection of such conduct by an individual is used as the basis for academic or employment decisions affecting the individual; or such conduct has the purpose or effect of substantially interfering with an individual’s academic or professional performance or of creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive employment or educational environment.

Harassment may take a number of forms.

Visual: leering; making sexually explicit gestures; displaying sexually explicit objects,
pictures, posters, or pinups.

Verbal: derogatory comments, epithets, slurs, jokes; unwelcome advances, propositions, or demands for favors; unwelcome comments about an individual’s body or appearance.

Physical: unwanted touching, such as patting, pinching, hugging, brushing against another’s body, coerced kissing or fondling, physical assault.


Gravatar “The ABC glitch exposed the page’s name, not an instance of fraud.

Wild Bill apparently didn’t realize that there were many different IM sessions involved. Clearly the session where both parties discussed Feb 23 as being in the future took place before Feb 23.

The session that took place while Foley was on the voting floor was in the summer, after Feb 23.

So far, the only response to this sequence of events is “do you have personal evidence of that”. Get real, of course we don’t. Neither do you have evidence to the contrary.”

Without personal evidence you are content to call Foley a “pedophile” and make it a centerpiece of an 11th hour political campaign. We already have RAT candidates running with this scandal in obviously pre-planned radio and TV ads.

Gimme a break. This thing is going to blow up in your face my friend. It always does. Going back to the scummy radio ads connecting George W. Bush somehow to the reprehensible dragging murder of James Byrd. Is this still Willie Horton payback 20 years later?

Why do you people blindly support and believe these pathetically transparent and sleazy late campaign DNC tactics?

They don’t work. The Rather fraud didn’t work. The Bush DWI didn’t work.

Get some Dem candidates who folks believe will protect their lives and their economic well being. That’s the ticket. Regards!


Gravatar Gen. J.C. Christian has it right! Hastert could be a worthy successor to the great Decider. And I’m sure he could appoint Wild Bill to some position in the administration, maybe in Intelligence. That would be a good fit for him! I could see Bill, sweaty hands working his keyboard, ferreting out information on as many good looking seventeen year old (no, sorry, eighteen year old) Republican youths as he can find. (He’s not looking at them, of course, because they are good looking, but because – you know – they’re gay and all and so they look after themselves.) Breathlessly reporting to President Hastert the tawdry details of their treasonous activities and betrayals of the party. How they evilly seduce those innocent Republican men, who really only wanted to talk about sports and gladiator movies, and maybe give a little fatherly advice on certain health issues. Those evil, evil boys – after enticing their victims they even fail to erase the automatic recording of their IM sessions. Of course, Wild Bill and the President would want to closely examine as many pictures of these boys as they could possibly lay their hands on. Not, you understand, that they want to lay their hands on the boys. Except, maybe, to provide a little discipline…


Gravatar Foley was well known as a pedophile in Florida

I’ve lived in a district just south of Foley’s (Wexler’s) for 18 years and I didn’t even know the guy was gay. It would certainly have been something Pravda in Paradise(Palm Beach Post) would have JUMPED ON if they were aware since Foley’d district is within their circulation area.


Really? Do you have any non-Brian Ross links to that? That weren’t exposed as fraudulent by an ABC glitch?

This is an ANOTHER pre-election elaborate fraud. You people REALLY suck.

The original link to the PDF of the IM trascript (the penis measuring trasncript) included the date of the chat(http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02- 03b.pdf)

If this occurred on 2-2-03, and the kid’s birthday is 2-23-85 or something like that. That would make him 17 at the time of the above referenced transcript.

Now, the cyber sex transcript (the last that ABC released only potions of) likely came from a conversation when the guy was 18…so after his birthday.

Wow. Look at my sleuthing skills! I wanna be just like Wild Bill!


I didn’t even know the guy was gay

New to political news, eh? I don’t live anywhere near his district, and I knew he was gay.


When this fraud unravels, all the social and economic conservatives who have been turned off by GOP overspending, border incompetence and whatever else are going to flock to the polls November 7 just because once again the alternative reality (Democrat rule) has reared its ugly head.

The internal polls must really suck for Democrat candidates to pull this desperate fraud.


“The original link to the PDF of the IM trascript (the penis measuring trasncript) included the date of the chat(http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT/02-02- 03b.pdf)”

Your link is dead sir.

Hey, I’m open to tear Pubbie leadership apart over this. Gimme your info.

As of tonight, the scandal mongering track record in this affair IS NOT GOOD! ABC’s credibility is NOT GOOD.

If Hastert and the GOP rainmakers knew about Foley’s abuse of minors and buried it, I will throw the mofos out of office. I just don’t think that happened.


What fraud?

Did Democrats write the IMs? Did Democrats ignore the red flags, thus allowing a pedarast to roam the Halls of Congress…and the Halls of the Page Dormitory?

Only the tip of the iceberg has been released about Foley. There’s much more to come!


“The internal polls must really suck for Democrat candidates to pull this desperate fraud.”

And to convince Foley he was a child predator when he wasn’t.

I mean, that’s desperate… (and genius).


There is no fraud here you Koolaid drinking neocon morons… It has been proven that Foley is a twisted pedophile that loves boys… The only questions now are when, where, with who, and how many… It really does not matter even if it was a set up “which it clearly appears not to be” The fact remains he exploited young boys looking for internships and work for his own perverse pleasure… And don’t try to play this gay issue with me, it would be just as immoral regardless of gender or political party. You right wing nuts appear mentally ill and out of ammo. Uhm I should not have mentioned ammo… Now all the inbred rednecks will come out of their barns with the cows and little boys and start chasing us civilized people with 1970 ford f150’s and shotguns… Forget I mentioned the outside world and reality… Bye repub fools…


Gravatar I have to wonder if the Demoncrats aren’t controlled by some kind of super-intelligent alien race. I mean, look what they’ve done. They’ve crippled the House leadership by having a GOP staffer leak the emails, have GOP pages and if Wild Bill is to be believed, a GOP campaign staffer, tempt Foley with their teenage bulges, forced Foley to resign immediately, and caused a public war of words between the GOP Speaker, the GOP Majority Leader, and the GOP congressional campaign chair.

Man, those Demoncrats have unnatural powers. They have to be doing the bidding of our soon-to-be Lizardoid Alien Overlords.


Gravatar The Republicans would never go out and try to dig up the dirt on Democrats, of course. But wasn’t it a Republican who put the finger on Foley?


Your link is dead sir.


Gravatar Allright. If it’s true that this guy was 18 then it definitely needs to come out. It seems it is, so now that it’s on Drudge, it will start getting alot of attention. Rush will probably pick it up and talk about it on his show tomorrow, and then everyone will hear it. Good. I’m already tired of this whole stupid issue anyway, so let’s just tell everyone, ‘Here, now STFU about it already, the dude’s long gone’. And talk about important things that really matter to the country, not trivial B.S. I’m voting on what’s really important, and the the Democrats can NOT be trusted in any of those matters. That’s what needs to be discussed- this stuff is just side-tracking real life stuff.


Your link is dead sir.

There was a space somewhere in the link…Here it is again, only correct this time:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/WNT…T/02-02- 03b.pdf

Notice the 02-02-03, which is the date of the IM conversation. Then note JE’s b’day.


Gravatar I certainly hope you die soon.


Gravatar SkerDog has assured me that his name will be off this POS blog as soon as William Kerr (aka Wild Bill from Oklahoma) removes his name.

I already took down the info about his family.

See I’m not that much of an asshole.

BTW – William threats of calling the FBI on me don’t have me quite scared enough. Why don’t you come up with a real threat. Republican piece of shit. You probably think the internet is a “series of tubes”. TOR much? Private proxies. Even if I did take your shit site down, no one would care. You’re a piece of filth on the ass of America. Have fun trying to get through to the FBI.


Wow…check it out. Here we have a group of DOGGED CONSERVATIVE BLOGGERS™ going for the real Drudge Cred and the coveted Straw Panama Hat of Truthiness® (just like the one that Drudge has) just like the thing with the “th” in the GW Bush National Guard Documents, and…you’ve failed miserably.

Even Drudge himself has been forced to backtrack; reluctantly admitting that contact between Foley and the former page began when the former page was 17.

So you’ve just besmirched the name of a young Republican whose only offense was being preyed on by a pervert and–here’s the beauty part–you’ve just interfered in an FBI investigation! Time to get you guys prosecuted!!!



Gravatar If Hastert and the GOP rainmakers knew about Foley’s abuse of minors and buried it, I will throw the mofos out of office. I just don’t think that happened.

I think NRCC Chair Reynolds’ Chief of Staff. Kirk Fordham, is a Demoncrat tool. His mind is definately controlled by the lizardoid aliens.

Fordham: The fact is, even prior to the existence of the Foley email exchanges I had more than one conversation with senior staff at the highest levels of the House of Representatives asking them to intervene when I was informed of Mr. Foley’s inappropriate behavior.

One of these staffers is still employed by a Senior House Republican Leader.


Gravatar Maf54 (7:53:54 PM): do you really do it face down

Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:03 PM): ya

Maf54 (7:54:13 PM): kneeling

Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:31 PM): well i dont use my hand…i use the bed itself

Maf54 (7:54:31 PM): where do you unload it

Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:36 PM): towel

Maf54 (7:54:43 PM): really

Maf54 (7:55:02 PM): completely naked?

Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:12 PM): well ya

Maf54 (7:55:21 PM): very nice

Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:24 PM): lol

Maf54 (7:55:51 PM): cute butt bouncing in the air


Gravatar Neocon? I wonder about that one? Is that some kind of code? The only time I have heard that one used they were talking about neo-Nazi. Some one said it just means “new” con. A “con” is someone who has been convicted of a crime, short for “Convict”. So when you say “Neocon” who would that be exactly? Would “Neo-impeached” or “Neo-Disbarred” equally apply. Really I just like “MoonBat” at least with that one you know it’s an insult without trying to be so cute.


While not all Republicans are child-fuckers, most child-fuckers are Republicans. Really, who can blame pedophiles for being attracted to organization that believes that authority is an end in itself and that equates dissent or questioning with treason. The kids who fall into their orbit are much more likely to keep quiet and go along to get along.

Now, if you’re done blaming the under-age victim for the actions of the middle-aged predator, you should probably busy yourself explaining how it’s not Condi’s fault she lied about Tenet’s Osama warning. Or you could explain how the NIE is proof that every intelligence agency in the country hates America. See you in November.


While not all Republicans are child-fuckers, most child-fuckers are Republicans. Really, who can blame pedophiles for being attracted to organization that believes that authority is an end in itself and that equates dissent or questioning with treason. The kids who fall into their orbit are much more likely to keep quiet and go along to get along.

Now, if you’re done blaming the under-age victim for the actions of the middle-aged predator, you should probably busy yourself explaining how it’s not Condi’s fault she lied about Tenet’s Osama warning. Or you could explain how the NIE is proof that every intelligence agency in the country hates America. See you in November.


Gravatar YAWN.


Hey sicko, looks like you’ve got a great gig here outing potential sexual assault victims. You’re special.

“I’m not 18 yet” kinda says it all, dumb ass.

From Drudge: A network source explains, messages with the young man and disgraced former Congressman Foley took place before and after the 18th birthday.

From Volokh.com
The basic law at issue here is 18 U.S.C. § 2422(b), sometimes known as the federal enticement statute, which is part of the Victorian-era legislation known as the Mann Act. The basic point of the statute is making it a crime to use a means of interstate commerce to try to persuade a minor to engage in an illegal sexual act. Here’s the key text:
Whoever, using . . . any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce . . . knowingly persuades, induces, entices, or coerces any individual who has not attained the age of 18 years, to engage in . . . any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 5 years and not more than 30 years.
Using IM or e-mail clearly counts as using a facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce. See, e.g., United States v. Tykarsky, 446 F.3d 458, 470 (3d Cir. 2006).

The FBI will have to determine if there’s been a crime. It’s so classy how you defend this middle aged pervert though. Bravo.


Gravatar OK so the guy’s 21 as of October, 2006, and the IM conversations were from 3 years ago, making him 18 as of October, 2003. Since in the IM he states that he won’t be 18 until February, the IM conversation took place prior to his 18th birthday (February, 2003).

This clearly proves that it was really gay space aliens who wholeheartedly support abortions and don’t believe in Our Lord Jesus and vote Democratic IMing the underage boy for masturbation tips. It was NOT Mark Foley, who is a decent, upstanding Republican citizen.

Thank you for breaking this story to the unwashed masses. There is a place reserved for you in the White Heaven.

Yours In Christ,
J. H. C.


How many more GOP congressmen will end up in prison, or totally disgraced, I wonder.

But hey needle dick, the odds are pretty high that your hero Mr. Foley probably did manage to fuck one of these teenaged boys. In time, it will come out.

I wonder how it makes you feel running cover for a guy who likes to scam kids.


Gravatar The Raw Story claims you have the wrong person. http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200…andal_1004.html


Gravatar Hilarious!

I was reading the Glorious webpage of one JC Christian and the link led me here, to a steaming pile of Publican pedophile apologists!

Archive this thread, baby! It’s a testament to the American they’ve made–thanks again for the laughs. Now, consign your Publican asses to the ash heap of history and let the adults run the country and put things back the way they’re supposed to be.

You can all come back when we have straightened out your mess, and if you promise to behave, you can have a little tax cut here and there and maybe a small war against someone insignificant.

That is all. Good on ya, General! This is where the happy, well adjusted Publican douchebags like to hang out, huh? Exit, stage left. Hold on, better wash up first.

The stink of failure hangs in the air after reading this thread. That stink will follow the Publican Party for the next ten election cycles. Iraq, Katrina, Foley. All good things come in threes. And Foley came when probably shouldn’t have…


Gravatar You’re a fucking jackass to post that shit. I sincerely hope that you are liable for both criminal charges and civil damages for this. Do the world a favour and stop looking before you cross the street.


Gravatar Just read through this whole bitchfest, and I’m amazed at how much bile is coming from the far-righties AND far-lefties (and how much time you each spend accusing the other side of being the bile-spewing one). As someone firmly in the center, politically speaking, let’s see if I can provide some of the FACTS all of you, on both sides, seem to be missing:

1. Regardless of whether the page was 17 or 18 at the time the IMs started, and regardless of whether the District of Columbia’s age of sexual consent (16) or Florida’s (1 would apply, Mark Foley is not a pedophile. He did not molest any children, regardless of whether or not you think a 17-year-old can be defined as a “child.” No actual, as opposed to cyber, sex has been alleged. Talking dirty over IM is not the same thing.

2. Regardless, again, of the pages’ actual ages, what DID take place here is a very clear case of sexual harassment. Normal teen boys, whether they are gay or straight, do not “get off” on chatting about masturbation and penis size with fiftysomething-aged men, and it is difficult to imagine that they would’ve participated in these IM conversations if Foley weren’t in a position of power. In effect, they were under duress. Foley basically has no defense here … and no, his lame “I was drunk” and “I was molested by my clergyman” excuses don’t cut it.

3. A history reminder: it wasn’t the actual Watergate break-in that brought down Nixon, but the elaborate attempts afterwards to cover it up. Same goes for Foley: the biggest story here isn’t his sex-tinged IMs and e-mails with current and former pages, but rather what appears to be a concerted effort on the part of GOP leadership to sweep the matter under the carpet for several years. If Kirk Fordham has anything substantive to back up his assertion that he told Hastert’s office about Foley’s harassment three years ago, Hastert’s resignation will need to be almost immediate to prevent catastrophic damage to the Republicans and their chances in next month’s election.


Gravatar Good Lord.
You poor knuckle dragging, cousin loving fool.
Your attempt to support the rethuglican talibangelists is brave, fool hardy but brave.
Some time in your life I bet you made the argument that ‘yeah, Hilter was bad, but he did build the Auto-Bahn’.
Please come join the good guys soon, your constant tonguing of Satan’s anus has got to be getting old.


This is unfolding as a an absolutely ham-handed black bag job.

You lefties just handed the election to the Pubbies.

This thing is going to unravel quickly.


JUST IN:

REPUBLICAN AIDE SOURCE OF FOLEY E-MAILS
GOP unlikely able to show Dems orchestrated scandal

The source who in July gave news media Rep. Mark Foley’s (R-Fla.) suspect e-mails to a former House page says the documents came to him from a House GOP aide.

That aide has been a registered Republican since becoming eligible to vote, said the source, who showed The Hill public records supporting his claim.

The same source, who acted as an intermediary between the aide-turned-whistleblower and several news outlets, says the person who shared the documents is no longer employed in the House.

But the whistleblower was a paid GOP staffer when the documents were first given to the media.

The source bolstered the claim by sharing un-redacted e-mails in which the former page first alerted his congressional sponsor’s office of Foley’s attentions. The copies of these e-mails, now available to the public, have the names of senders and recipients blotted out.

These revelations mean that Republicans who are calling for probes to discover what Democratic leaders and staff knew about Foley’s improper exchanges with under-age pages will likely be unable to show that the opposition party orchestrated the scandal now roiling the GOP just a month away from the midterm elections.

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/…0506/ news2.html


The Raw Story claims you have the wrong person. http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200…andal_1004.html

Raw Story? The home of Truthout’s William Pitt and Jason Leopold?

HA!

Are the “24 business hours” to Karl Rove’s indictment in the Plame affair up yet?

God, what dupes. You don’t deserve to govern this nation in a time of War.


Gravatar This is unfolding as a an absolutely ham-handed black bag job.

You lefties just handed the election to the Pubbies.

Yeah the dumb bastards’ fingerprints are all over the Republicans who leaked and promoted this story. Stupid Demoncrats.


JUST IN:

That longtime Republican “aide” is the guy who was identified on this blog who is working for Ernest Instook (R) of Oklahoma! The 18 year old at the time.


Gravatar I’m 15 and love to talk sex with dirty old men. Seen the boobiethon pics?

You just saw that on the internet.

And it is proof of what?


Gravatar I can’t leave this post tonight without expressing my thanks to Wild Bill and his many supporters. I’ve learned so much today. I’ve learned that Wild Bill – my strong, manly, hero – will spend as many tough, hard hours as he needs to get pictures of teenage boys off the internet. I’m sure that when he finished his grueling task, and he had found that one, special picture that he needed more than anything else, he enjoyed an explosive release of all his pent up tension and need. I suspect that Wild Bill just lay down and had a nice, long smoke after that session!

I’ve also learned so many other interesting things. I found out that a seventeen year old page is just “another gay man” and fair game to a predatory congressman. (Thanks ittybitty. By the way, and I just want to be helpful, a prosthetic extension might help your “little man” be a little less itty.)

Sarah McArthur lets the Demon-crats have it between the eyes; they’re like Wile Coyote: “Always blowing it and landing flat on your faces in a pile of sh*t.” Ha Ha. (Although, Sarah, “blowing it” is probably not the best choice of words in these circumstances.)

Parasuspic is especially clever. He says all the “right” things about how Foley is scum and all; after all, we conservatives have to mouth all those PC verities. But then he tells it like it is: “there was no harm done to the page, no physical contact, no coercion … it almost seems as if he was treating the whole thing as a joke”, the kid was a “willing participant”. Those are great talking points, and our party can’t go wrong in attacking and humiliating a seventeen year old kid who led poor Mr. Foley down the garden path. Can’t we get Parasuspic on CNN to tell it like it is to all those liberal traitors?

And “Anonymous” bravely gets to the heart of the issue. We all know that when this “fraud unravels” the Democrats will be slaughtered at the polls. Because we all here know the truth: a good Republican man wouldn’t do what Foley is accused of doing. In fact, the real Foley is being held captive in San Francisco – or maybe it’s Massachusetts – by a gang of seventeen year old lesbians (no boys involved, because as Wild Bill has shown there are no 17 year old boys anywhere in this country) together with Hilary Clinton. Who’s the guy behind this whole thing? It’s obvious isn’t it? Bill Clinton in a Foley mask. He was just so mad about that Fox interview, that he set the whole thing up. There is no way the Democrats can keep this quiet until the election! If Wild Bill can’t unmask him, then surely Rush can do it.

Good night, and may God bless the United States of America.


Considering Mike Rogers and John what’s-his-face sat on this, the spectre of doubt and disallusionment is on this whole scandal.

Basically stating, the Dems hoped for a royal flush, they only got 3 of a kind, which means they probably won’t get the House because of this.

Especially in the face of Darlene Hooley, Maria Cantwell, and William Jefferson.


Quit being such a homophobe Derek.

Really.

You’ve worked hard over the years to ensure that two men like Congressmen Foley and the 18 year old Page can get married.

Be proud of that!! That’s no scandal

LMAO!


That longtime Republican “aide” is the guy who was identified on this blog who is working for Ernest Instook (R) of Oklahoma! The 18 year old at the time.

At the time of what?

The time Foley was jerking off to IM while a house vote was going on?

Regardless, it wasn’t the Dems:

“These revelations mean that Republicans who are calling for probes to discover what Democratic leaders and staff knew about Foley’s improper exchanges with under-age pages will likely be unable to show that the opposition party orchestrated the scandal now roiling the GOP just a month away from the midterm elections.”

Did you tell Foley that y’all cleared him? Cuz he still thinks he has a problem preying on young boys.

Good thing y’all spent so much time trying to clear the name of an admitted child predator. God forbid he shouldn’t be allowed to work with kids again.

Got a new slogan for ya too:

GOP

We embrace pedophiles as long as you hang in there long enough to celebrate the victim’s 18th birthday!

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/…0506/ news2.html


Gravatar Centrist,

I really admire you for finding the middle ground between:

Torture and the 8th Amendment;

Denying habeas corpus and Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution;

Denial of due process and the 5th Amendment;

Coerced confessions and the 5th Amendment;

Warrantless searches and the 4th Amendment;

But, I suppose you agree with the rest of us on the 3rd Amendment. Hell, nobody wants to quarter soldiers.


Gravatar My posting didn’t post. It is a conspiracy by the Demoncrats.


Gravatar Wondering … do the Dems want the GOP to treat Foley like they have treated the perverts on their side of the aisle? Do they think they do better in that regard?

Careful before you answer that!


Gravatar The Republicans would never go out and try to dig up the dirt on Democrats, of course. But wasn’t it a Republican who put the finger on Foley?
Ah, here we go…


Gravatar I’m still waiting for a couple of things:

1. Are you asking us to hunt down and kill this guy?

2. Please send me pictures of your teeage children. I want to admire them.

There’s nothing wrong with that. Speaker Hastert said so.


Gravatar Is there any proof that Foley f ed any child?


jj, one thing I’ve learned is that you fever swamped lefty Kos-Koolaided mouth breathers NEVER … NEVER get your facts right.

You’re too filled with bile and anger and echo chamber stupidity to see anything for what it really is.

Just the Brian Ross fuckup on the age of this Page on his Friday IM revelation will give the GOP strength to stand up and beat down this obviously calculated black bag outrage.

This is the beginning of the end for you and your rabid, useless internet screechers in this election. You shot your wad and missed, as usual.

Bank on it bitch. Have a good one tough guy. Whack off to your Markos screen saver.


Gravatar Wondering … do the Dems want the GOP to treat Foley like they have treated the perverts on their side of the aisle?

Let’s not forget what Studds did 22 years ago. Tip O’Neil should step down as Speaker.

Oh, he’s dead?


Gravatar Whack off to your Markos screen saver.

I’ve never seen one of those. Is it as good as the shock and awe bombing pics? Man, I needed ointment after that.


Gravatar We are Democrats. We pardon child molesters (Reynolds) or applaud them on the House floor (Studds).

The Rs get child enticers to resign.

Too bad Foley didn’t actually molest any children. Instead of being mad at him the Dems would have given him an ovation.

I love American politics. As entertaing as football but the games last longer.


First of all: There’s no excuse for what Mark Foley did and he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Second of all: Wow, so many of you people are such incredible hypocrits. “Republicans are evil. Lots of them are pedophiles. Christians are pedophiles. Blah blah blah.” I guess this is what passes for “tolerance” in the famed “party of tolerance” these days. You’re not really doing a great job throwing off Republican’s “false” impressions of liberals’ *hatred* toward the moral Right.


Gravatar Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me

Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that

Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again

Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2

Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful


Gravatar Oh, i forgot to call the Demoslamunistofascists, “bitches.”

Bitches!

Man, that felt as good as I do when I inappropriately touching myself watching “24.”


Gravatar Genrul, Suh!

quartering soldiers is a hardship to be borne. They never do the dishes. Bad as cats.

the rest of ya? (you know who I’m talking about)you’re idiots.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200…andal_1004.html

I’m sayin it again and sayin it loud.


“jj, one thing I’ve learned is that you fever swamped lefty Kos-Koolaided mouth breathers NEVER … NEVER get your facts right. You’re too filled with bile and anger and echo chamber stupidity to see anything for what it really is. Bank on it bitch. Have a good one tough guy. Whack off to your Markos screen saver.”

Filled with bile and anger to see anything for what it really is?

Foley is an admitted child predator.

Foley was a Republican Rep for Florida.

Foley quit in disgrace.

Y’all think outing one of his victims is more important than these facts.

Which part of this are you having a difficult time with, you pedophilic enabling bitch?

Let me suggest something to you:

You’ve lost sight of any sense of moral decency and you’re blaming others for it.

Get a fucking grip and grow up, Anonymous.

(If that is your real name).



Gravatar Man, that felt as good as I do when I inappropriately touching myself watching “24.”

I didn’t write that. I contracted that comment out to one of Katherine Harris’ Indian comment spammers.


Congressman Foley and the 18 year old Page should have got married instead of exchanging lame cyber sex IM messages from 1500 miles.

Then the liberal left Democrats would have thrown them a parade.


Gravatar Who would Jesus groom?


Gravatar I also support Rep Shimkus’s decision to hold an auction where pages could bid to win a date with Foley. It was very kind of him to allow Foley to participate after warning the pages to beware of Foley.


General JC, are you considered a wit in the moleman communities?


Congressman Foley and the 18 year old Page should have got married instead of exchanging lame cyber sex IM messages from 1500 miles.

Then the liberal left Democrats would have thrown them a parade.
Anonymous

…..

That still leaves the other boys in the multiple IM’s and emails.

Would the GOP pedophile apologists like them to be groomsmen?

(sorry)

…ring bears?

AND did you tell Foley that your work is done? You’ve helped clear his name? He still thinks he has a problem with little boys.


Gravatar Clinton’s penis used to be in D.C., so this is a bipartisan scandal.


Gravatar “Also I will explain to you why I believe it necessary to reveal Jordan Edmund’s identity.”

This is why:

“I have been contacted by the media and I might be on TV soon.”…. “I will be on the radio at http://www.wideawakesradio.com at 4pm Central Time.”


Mark Foley exhanged cyber sex emails with an 18 year old male page and resigned in shame.

Bill Clinton solicited hand and blow jobs from a 21 year old female page, lied about it under oath and to the American people, and you vile assholes swoon in his presence.

Like I said, this setup is going to be exposed like the Rather fraud and you will LOSE the November elections and many, many Americans will dedicate themselves to ensuring that none of you bitter psycopaths have access to elected office control EVER AGAIN.

Now, y’all have a good night. This thing is going to be totally debunked by Friday night. It’s a lousy scam.

God bless ya Wild Bill. We got your back bro.


Gravatar If I have to cancel my vacation to the Dominican Republic next week to defend the honor of the Republican Party then I’ll do it. I’m sure I can put this Viagra to good use somewhere here in Miami. Cubans, Dominicans – they all look the same when then they take their school uniforms off.


“Mark Foley exhanged cyber sex emails with an 18 year old male page and resigned in shame.”

You say that like there was only one kid:

ANOTHER PAGE TALKS OF IM FROM FOLEY

Tyson Vivyan, a page who worked in Congress in the late 1990’s, claims resigned Rep. Mark Foley also sent him instant messages that were sexual in nature.

“I was surprised … that a member of Congress, a person in his position,” Vivyan told Cosby, “would be fostering these types of conversations with a minor, a former page and a male. That’s what really surprised me more than anything.”

He continued, “[W]hat was really shocking at all is the fact that even once I discovered who it was, he didn’t stop. The conversations continued for quite some time.”

VIDEO:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200…stant_1004.html


Gravatar I swear on the soul of my ex-wife to whom I served with divorce papers while she lay in bed in the hospital cancer ward that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar It’s time for the Democrats to realize that Bush is going to be our commander-in-chief for two more years, which means that for the remainder of his command his party gets a pass on all scandals, especially if they only involve “naughty emails”. (Thank you, Mr. Snow.)


Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your detective work and bravery. The hypocracy and politics of this Foley outing reeks and I’m frankly dissappointed with all of the conservative bloggers.

This is CBS II and only you and Drudge have had the courage to do the right thing. Reading the hateful shreaks from all of the moonbats should make you proud.

When Democratic congressman Studds seduced and actually fucked a 17-year old “child” they gave him a the left-wing PC medal of honor complete with a parade and then they re-elected him 6 times. Now these demented Boy Scout hating, child molestor protecting harpies have the nerve to call out a gay congressman simply because he’s Republican complete with slanderous claims of pedophilia?

What nonsense. Foley’s biggest crime is being gay while Republican and if any moonbat who claims to care about middle aged congressmen seducing 17 year olds is lying through his yellow fangs.

-Heather


Gravatar You have no point. ABC claims the messages were from 2003, and they probably are. Now, you pulled his MySpace in late September or early October of 2006.

That proves that he was 18 *in late September or early October* of 2003. Assuming you are right, and his birthday is February 23, the explanation for this is obvious:

The messages were from between January 1 and February 23, 2003.

Duh.


Gravatar This kid gets what he deserves. He wants to stroke Congressional pole then tattle he’s going to have to pay the piper. There’s no excuse for this kind of reckless, unthinking scumbaggery and jiggery pokery. He probably egged the poor guy on: “My you’re a powerful American, can I ride in your Beamer?” or “I never dreamed 50 year old lawmakers could be this hot.” or “I can perform other duties other than being a courtier, I mean courier”.


Okay all moonbats and kiss bills ass now,know that if you had the chance u guys would bust this story, so give my boy credit. Bill is my best friend, and he was just doing what he felt was right. So like I said give him the credit. Yes and threats are just the only weapons that you moonbats. bill has a life too, and he has a family also’ moonbats kiss bill’s ass and mine too.


Gravatar LOL yeah the kid got what he deserved. At least you come right out and say it.


Gravatar I swear on the soul of the 13 year old girl I molested, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar I swear on the soul of the 8 year old girl I solicited sex from, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar I swear on the soul of the 5 year old boy I sexually abused, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar The fact that your best friend Bill thought that the right thing to do was to out this victim of a sexual predator is precisely the issue at hand. This page kept quiet, didn’t get his former boss in trouble, but somehow releasing his name is now the right thing to do.


thank god there some good people like still out there


Gravatar I swear on the soul of the child I raped , that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar I swear on the soul of the mule I fucked, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar I swear on the souls of all the children I used in my child sex parties at the White House, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar “I have been contacted by the media and I might be on TV soon.”

How thriling for you! And all it took was outing a victim of a pedphile! Wow, you’re SO cool. Way to be a “compasionate” conservative, asshole.

You people are pathetic, desperately trying to spread the blame around and deflect attention from Foley’s sexual predations and the fact that the GOP covered for Foley for five years.

So much for “family values.”


Gravatar I swear on the soul of the 12 year old boy I molested, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar I swear on the soul of the 12 year old babysitter I molested, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar I swear on the souls of my daughters whom I raped, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar I swear on the soul of the 11 year old girl I repeatedly molested, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar I swear on the souls of all the Iraqi children I authorized to be raped in Iraqi prisons, that I’ve never seen such contemptible behavior as I’ve seen in the Democrat Party.


Gravatar HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wild Bill got it WRONG.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200…andal_1004.html

Eat jizz you wingnut trash!!


“What nonsense. Foley’s biggest crime is being gay while Republican and if any moonbat who claims to care about middle aged congressmen seducing 17 year olds is lying through his yellow fangs.”

Foley’s crime is engaging in sexually explicit messages to boys.

Hence the reason he quit office.

What kind of person are you to so blindly defend an admitted sexual predator simply because he’s a Republican?

What kind of monsters have you people become in the name of your party?

You have lost all sense of morality.

May God forgive you.


Gravatar “What “therealdonquixote” is doing here and on his blog is coming close to extortion.

Really “don”. You don’t think YOUR identity can be ascertained?

Honestly, what’s your agenda here?
Walt | 10.04.06 – 9:56 pm |”

I know my identity can be found. In fact digger2 in Australia (an outsourced echelon bot) passes by my blog all the time.

Here’s the difference between myself and William Kerr. I don’t have an agenda. I don’t care if people “find out” who I really am. Have you read my blog? Do you know what I do? I’m not hiding!! I put my homepage right in the comments. Does that smell of someone who seeks anonimity in this tirade of crap??

Here I’ll give you a head start on your google search.

google: therealdonquixote

I don’t care if Foley was a straight, libertarian, pagan. He’s guilty as hell of something.

My point is…Posting this poor ex-page’s info is wrong!

As you can see from many others on this comment thread, people agree with me.

One blogger named “Indy” has all of Tom’s info still up on his site, and I suspect that Indy will have everyone elses info up as well. Check out his comments HERE.

Still think I am the only one to come down hard on this horrible afront to keeping knowledge free?

This post in and of itself cries for someone to at least TRY to protect the little guy. The white house page who didn’t even file any complaints, but is now being plastered all over the net.

And all you bastards who think someone who is 18 isn’t a kid, wait until you have to send your 18 year old off to war. Then tell me if an 18 year old is a kid or not.

Law? Fuck the law. I want this post removed. I won’t get what I want, and I know that. I’m stoopid not retarded. But I have at least gotten one writer on this blog to admit (via actions) that this post is morally reprehensable. SkerDog has asked for his name to be removed from Passionate America entirely.

I have a line on William Kerr. Did you know that anyone can call up a data broker and just pay for anyone’s info? See my post on it CLICKY.

I’ll probably just let all this go after toneight. Who am I kidding. But at least I did something. I can be proud of that.

BTW – Extortion involves money. I don’t need money and I have never asked for it.


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5 10 2006
The Big D

Good work.

5 10 2006
The Big D

Good work. Take rest. Dealing with too much slime is bad for the mind and the soul. Find some good people and a good dog to spend some time with. I sure hope the kids affected by all the creepos of the world can find some good people and a good dog to hangout with.

5 10 2006
tip

Kerr got his story in the MSM

It was on the TV news and in The Oklahoman

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Blogger credited in discovering identity

William Kerr knew he was on to the biggest story of his life. But he didn’t know it was in his own back yard.

Kerr, of Moore, is the author of the blog Passionate America, which is being credited with discovering the identity of the former House page who may have exchanged inappropriate instant messages with former Rep. Mark Foley, and that the former page now works for Oklahoma gubernatorial candidate Ernest Istook.

Kerr said he received e-mails and phone calls from national media outlets Wednesday, including the tabloid television program Inside Edition and Internet pundit Matt Drudge.

“I started thinking, ‘I’m not big enough to put this story out,’” Kerr said. “In the four days that we really worked on this, we just said to each other, ‘Do you know how big this is?’”

Kerr said he stumbled onto the former page’s AOL screen name when looking at transcripts of the instant messages on ABC’s Web site Saturday.

He said he typed a slightly-different Web address into his browser and found a version of the transcript with the screen name.

Kerr and another blogger spent several days researching on the Internet.

They had determined the page’s identity and were about to publish it when they found out he worked for Istook.

Kerr said he accidentally posted the story before he intended. Although he removed the post, the information already had spread.

He tried to verify the former page’s identity through Istook’s campaign office, but was turned away.
The Oklahoman 10/5/06

By Chris Casteel, Nolan Clay and Michael McNutt
Copyright 2006, The Oklahoman
A former U.S. House page working on the gubernatorial campaign of Republican Rep. Ernest Istook may be a part of the scandal involving former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, The Oklahoman has learned.

The former page, a Californian named Jordan Edmund, 21, on Wednesday hired Enid attorney Stephen Jones to represent him, the attorney confirmed.

Jones would not say exactly why he was hired, but did say, “I understand the FBI and the House Ethics committee have an interest in the matter … the allegations concerning Congressman Foley which have surfaced.”

Foley, a Republican from Florida, resigned abruptly Friday after it was learned he exchanged sexually explicit e-mails with former pages. The FBI is investigating.

Istook has been unavailable for comment Thursday. The congressman was scheduled to be working out of his campaign office in downtown Oklahoma City today, but hasn’t been there yet. Campaign officials refused not say where Istook is.

Istook’s campaign manager, Chip Englander, who also is from California, declined comment Wednesday to an Oklahoman reporter.

However, Englander gave The Oklahoman a statement that was attributed to Istook.

The statement says: “The sad and sick behavior of Mark Foley was a total surprise to me when it was revealed. Law enforcement is doing its job, and I support that effort. Now we should all support and protect the victims, and they should not be hounded by the press.

“It was a complete surprise to learn this morning that one victim may be someone I know. Each one of the victims deserves their privacy. To every reporter I request, please have the decency to avoid making things worse for the victims, and just leave them alone. This happened years ago when the victims were minors.”

Reached at his home, Istook referred to the prepared statement.

Edmund’s name surfaced on Internet blogs that linked him to the instant message address used in communications with Foley.

One blogger got the instant message address from the Web site of ABC News, which has obtained the instant messages sent between Foley and a former page.

In the sequence of messages identified by the blogger, Foley tells the person to “strip down and get relaxed.”

It is not clear whether Foley’s other instant messages, including one in which he apparently conducted “instant message” sex with a person, were all to the same person.

Asked why Edmund needed an attorney, Jones said, “You read the blogs. You know why he needs an attorney.”

Jones, who represented Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh in his murder trial in Denver, confirmed Edmund was a U.S. House page.

“I’ve been retained in the last several hours,” Jones said. “I’m still reviewing matters.”

Jones said the two met Wednesday in Oklahoma City.

Edmund had an Internet page on the popular MySpace Web site.

On that Web page, he identified himself as being 21 years old and said he had been attending college at the University of California, Berkeley. He also identified himself as a House page from September 2001 to June 2002. He would have been 16 and 17 then. He said he was going to Oklahoma to be deputy campaign manager for Istook’s gubernatorial effort, according to the Web site.

Edmund registered to vote in Oklahoma in March, records show.

The House Ethics Committee is scheduled to hold a closed-door meeting this morning about the Foley matter.

Rep. Tom Cole, R-Moore, one of the 10 members of the committee, flew back to Washington on Wednesday for what he called an “emergency meeting.” He said the committee today would not hear from witnesses but would set the parameters of the investigation.

Cole said the investigation would not focus on Foley because his resignation put him beyond the committee’s jurisdiction.

Without making specific references to any House leaders, Cole made it clear that the committee will be interested in how knowledge of Foley’s contacts with a former Louisiana page were handled in the House.

“We want to know who knew what and when, and what was done about it,” Cole said.

Conflicting stories have been told by top Republican leaders and their staff members about what kind of information they had about Foley’s contacts with former pages and how they acted on that information.

Cole said, “I would expect that anybody whose name has been mentioned (in connection with the matter) should expect the opportunity to testify before the ethics committee.

“If they refuse to accept the opportunity to testify, they should expect to receive a subpoena.”

Cole said he planned to argue for an investigation broad enough to determine whether any one else connected with the House has acted inappropriately toward pages.

Cole said he expected the ethics committee, which normally operates in complete secrecy, to “be more forthcoming and more transparent than we usually are.”

“I want to get to the bottom of this,” Cole said. “I take this deadly seriously.

“First and foremost, I’m worried about the safety of the kids and the obligation we owe them and their parents.”
The Oklahoman 10/5/06

5 10 2006
therealdonquixote

@ TIP
TMI d00d. Couple links would be fine.

5 10 2006
angryhippie

Nice Post Tip. Can you believe the comments this Kerr bastard has recieved! Holy Crap. He’s going down.

15 06 2012
Ronaldinho

You are my inhalation, I possess few web logs and often run out from post🙂. “Fiat justitia et pereat mundus.Let justice be done, though the world perish.” by Ferdinand I.

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